Majic Journeys

Mind blowing dream last night.

Up at 3am 2 4mg caps of G, 2 300mg caps of Choline, 1 banana (I like them...)

Goal was inspired by Dr T ( holy grail - get the DC to let you know you are dreaming)

I had a very restless night and spend a long time looking and enjoying HI and fighting with myself to get OOB, strong exit feelings and energy body formed but seemed to be stuck and tried everything except relaxing to get it out and join it.

WILD Finally got there and got some DC together in a room, about 5 to 7 of them and we were talking about random stuff and I asked one of them if we could be friends and got the answer " I have millions of friends, why would I want one more" That's fine and I had a good group chat going so I asked for advice on getting lucid more often and every night if I wanted. I got silence and asked again and then got the big group baby talk syndrome when they dont want to say or respond. This really annoyed me and I was communicating by what I think might be commonly call telepathy - not verbal but by projecting a thought to them.

I had been thinking about the feeling language and had not tried it as I was only introduced to it a couple of days back by a poster on a board and so after being really annoyed with the group I simply produced the thought in my mind only that I want to know how to become lucid every night if I choose. I got an instant of silence and then a very clear answer that just appeared ( you are too immature to know this just now)

On reflection what stunned me were the following points,

1 - the DC had no choice but to answer and it was a very clear answer projected into my mind in the same way insights come to me during waking time not as a received but unspoken voice 2 - this is the shocker for me and that the reply contained emotion and that implies it was in real time, not extracted from a data base and delivered by a sulky forced to reply entity

Really keen for thoughts on this and for someone to pull it to bits and poke holes in my line of thought

Quite fascinating. It seems as if your thought signals were being correctly interpreted by your sub-consciousness, and a response was returned. I'm sure that your sub-consciousness does in fact have an answer, perhaps simply an 'agreement' if you like that will allow you to become lucid 'willingly' without having to force it. What really fascinates me is the reply though. It's almost like your sub-consciousness has assessed your dream record and deemed you unfit at that point in time to be privy to extra knowledge that will allow you to increase lucidity frequency. The choice of wording, particularly 'immature' is bizarre to say the least. I could ponder this for a very long time, but my only immediate advice on that is to really think hard about what you define as 'immature' and see if you can find a connection or a clue. This is almost definitely connected to how your sub-consciousness has connected with you, and may provide valuable information on future conversation with it. I hope you make further progress with this soon!

it does make me curious in a lot of ways, mabe the SC has an ego and does not want me to outgrow it or there are some barriers that carry on from WR that I need to deal with. I dont really know at this stage but will keep up with this idea in some way. Its been a few weeks since this dream and I have been travelling so just let it all roll and not tried to put any intentions into my dreams lately. I still come back to a basic question and that is what are we communicating with, the idea of a SC is still to simple and to seperate for my mind and i dont like the idea at all. We always seek to explain something in terms of what we know and I feel this is wrong but cant see a way past this for now

I have tried to seed a dream to see the bugs that gave me a cold and wanted to see if I could cure from within the dream

Vivid dream

Looking down at my body and from my quads to mid belly area I see small floating things like seeds of a dandelion plant, they are black and just floating around near me and have a small center that I assume is a seed. I am not concerned and then some of them lightly touch my skin. Next the feathery tips start to dig into my skin and the seed grows into a worm and it the ugliest bug you could ever see. Its a combo of all that gives me the shivers. This bug burrows its way into my flesh and there are a lot of these trying this. I work up the courage to push my palm over there wriggling heads and crush them, I cant bring myself to use my fingers to kill them as they are too horrid to look at and I just know they will simply burrow into my fingers anyway. As I crush each one I them grab the head and pull the worm out and throw it away. I can feel the worms being pulled out of my flesh and I do this for what feels a long time and get them all out, about 15 to 20 of them, the skin heals and I lay there exhausted (in the dream).

I wake up and am still feeling funny at the intensity of it and laugh as my SC has just had a great joke on me and gave me what I had asked for.

Vivd dream

Another vivid dream with complete reality but no awareness

On a fishing boat that I remembered from my past and spent some time talking the skipper who is an old friend of mine. He was catching fish, had his same crew and very pleased with life. We talked for a while and then I was off the boat in a small port town where he was fishing from and it was a nice place to be so felt happy.

This morning in recalling the dream I clicked that the skipper was a mate that shot himself many years ago on the same small vessel that we were taking on. It was a nice dream and of the type that leaves me feeling happy, my friend was also about my age now, same in the features but aged as he should have.

These dreams are not lucid and I am happy for this, they contain an awareness that I liken to daily life and unfold in a nice way. I would not want to change this and would be dissapointed if I attained awareness during one of them as they are more a connection or vision in a way and I treasure this feeling

I can understand what you mean about not wanting to be lucid in some cases. I find that whenever I'm lucid, i don't experience the normal surges of emotions that normally come with regular dreams.

I feel the same way, in the vivid dreams its more like a normal day where I have highs and lows etc and they are also as real as daily life. Its like a very long FA but without the confusion and I like them. The lucids are another level and not better or worse just different, the control adds and also takes away. I feel the lucids in a deeper way than the vivids and the lucids are more for exporing parts of my mind or wherever we may be.

Feelings of energy body forming up and easy exit via OBE to room. My energy body started to feel like it was getting ready to leave and I started to get some feelings in my head of being ready to leave when it felt like a second presence was also starting to form up or intrude as well. I have never felt this before and it was odd like a duel awareness of two sets of energy being present. From here I easily and got up and walked across the room like I normally do and after a few steps got a big thump on my back and felt something attach to me. It was solid and grabbed on quite firmly so I shook it off and again it grabbed me and hung on. I shook it again and spun round and demanded it show itself and seen a body that was about the double of me. I held this presence as it had form and energy of its own so was a solid DC of some sort and asked WTF are you trying to do and demanded its name. I got the name (cant recall it now) and asked 3 times to repeat its name so it was sure and it got clearer each time. There were some others in the room and this was also not normal as I very rarely see anyone when I OBE at the start of a dream. I said to everyone that we should fly to the beach and then talk about so I kept holding the DC/double and we all flew over the beach area in front of my house. When the DC looked stable I let him go and he fell down and disappeared into the mud and stayed there so I kept flying away with the others.

A few scene changes and some exploring of a forest and some industrial scenes of factories and people making stuff.

A DC sent me looking in what looked like a vent and it got quite constricted so I pushed my way out of this and was flying in a dark space. Till now the lighting had been good, either bright or dark or moonlight as expected but now it was dark and darker in places. I looked down and seen a darker substance and it appeared to be tin and vast, it just went on and on and was some part of a structure. I settled on to it and the folds where it was joined pinched my toes and it hurt a lot, each time I stopped it got me in a pinch and I had to keep moving. There were spots of light coming out of pin holes in the structure but other that that it was just dark around me and darker where the structure was. I stopped a few times and could not see through the pin points of light and could not bash, push or do anything to get past the tin. It felt as if it was a barrier and I just could not penetrate it.

This set of dreams are very interesting to me, the duel awareness on WILD and attack on OBE and the barrier are a first and something to be explored. The dream was fully lucid and there are lots more randoms among it as it was a very long one

WBTB and trying for WILD

Drifted into light HI and then was siting in bed reading a book. I looked up and the scene changed to me floating down a city road as if suspended just a little above the road. I was turning corners and moving along with the scene being in very bright lights and dark buildings and road. No color except for the lights and blackness of varying shades. I thought yes I am dreaming and pinched my nose to check and I could breathe so all good. The roads came to an intersection and I looked over and found a street that was familiar to me as I have been here before in dreams. I walked up the street a little, there were a lot of people around and so I ducked round a corner and rubbed my hand on a wall and slowely put my fingers into the building to get a little control and again confirm that I was lucid. Back to the street and walking along the road, it was seedy area and there were a few working girls on the street, went past them and to a bus stop where there were a few younger girls and boys teasing each other. Again I walked past and carried on up the street. I came to another wide road and there were a few cars coming at me so I thought that I would walk out and let them hit me as it could do no harm. I tried to touch some of them but they avoided me. I looked up the road and a man was on a bike coming at me. He stopped said of course you can let the cars hit you as you are in a dream and he invited me to put my had through his bike frame which i did with him watching. I asked him if he was dreaming and he said no he was not. Next scene is in a cafe and I asked the waiter to see the manager as I had some questions to ask, she looked a little worried at this but did get the manager. The manager was annoyed and told the girl off and I then tried to get a menu off the waiter with no luck as she was very busy. I am now talking to a real life friend of mine about lucid dreaming, we were sitting on big pile of cut grass and had a long talk about dreaming and were discussing some of the finer details.

Woke up. This was a nice long lucid and I didnt use any sups at all.

I am now becoming aware of 4 regular dream characters, the man has appeared a lot in my dreams and always as a firm strong in control person. He is calm and will assist or lead if needed. The waiter is a flaming red haired girl and along with the manager they also appear quite often, the were the nurses in a recent dream and have assisted to get me lucid a lot of times. There is one other women that is a match for the man, she was missing this time but does appear consistently. They are not always there but the 4 of them are consistent over many years.

I haven't been lucid dreaming long enough to identify recurring DCs, but it's interesting that you have, and clearly they play a key part in your dreams. Perhaps one day you will discover their purpose :) i'll make a mental note to look out for recurring DCs in my own dreams.

I am about ready to start finding then and seeing what they may offer and feel this will be an interesting goal. They have tested me in many ways over the years and are starting to make themselves more obvious in recent times. Will keep you posted

Little restless and could not settle mind, this does not worry me as the supplements start to work in about 30 to 40 minutes and I only need to capture this reaction to get set up for a WILD. I see some dream images start to form up and am ready to step out of my body and into a dream. I am not quite ready and open my eyes but they are my real eyes and I see my room so I close them again and the images are there once more. I wait a little and the images seem to be a little more solid, it is my room but there is a shelf to one side and they look like bunk beds. I ignore this and just get up and walk to the doors that exit to the balcony. It is so real that I wonder if I am sleep walking, I put my hands on the door handle and it feels solid and I think that maybe I am sleep walking and if so I better not force my way through the glass doors. I am still standing and feel my body go to sleep, it drops to the floor and I hear it thump and am now still standing with my dream body and my hand on the door handle. I wonder if my body is on the floor asleep. I walk through the door and am happy as this confirms that I am dreaming and so will not hurt myself if I jump off the balcony. I move to the rail and glass panels on the edge of the balcony and again walk through these for another conformation that I am dreaming. I am now floating in the air. One dream goal is to meditate in the dream so I close my dream eyes and start to relax my mind and lose all thought. I am now gently spinning in 360% circles in a horizontal plane and moving gently forward as well. This is a pleasant motion and I am enjoying it. I feel warm and safe, I am still moving forward and a bright light is in my mind and I think it is the sun in the distance. It is warm and has a infuses me with a nice energy that I am enjoying. I let the motion and feelings carry on for a few minutes.

I open my eyes and I am high up in the sky over the ocean looking down on a big wooden building that is on its own island or is an island. I descend and land on the deck outside. It is a restaurant and I wander inside and have a look around.
I talked to the waitresses and then left the building and then moved on by flying over the ocean. I tried singing while flying ( I can’t sing at all in real life, I am that bad I once got told to pretend when I was in a school choir by the teacher). My voice was special and had sweet clear tones that were as pure as a bell ringing. At times there were other voices joining me and I sung for a long time and it was pure joy. (I was thinking that if anyone could hear me there might be some horrid squawking sounds coming from my body) After this I looked around for a sliver thread that I have seen many times but could not see it this time. I seen some others flying below me and picked one to talk to , he tried to give me his name but it was the usual meaningless noise so I tried to send him a ball of thought instead. ( I have done this a few times and I think what I want to say and imagine it is a tight ball of blue light and will this into the DC’s mind. At times they answer by a thought that appears in my mind) it did not work this time so I moved on.

Man lecturing troops, he is serious and I decide to have some fun so I move up past the troops and ask him where the nearest café is as I want a coffee. He looks really pissed at this, I laugh and move on.

I move on, wake up as it is now daylight. I then enter the dream again to practise the skill of re-entry and am walking down a tree lined path in what looks like an orchard. I enjoy the feeling of the day and energy of the place.

I wake up happy and content.

Lucid - WILD

One of a few dreams last night

Lucid and getting a geology lesson from a man called Chris that I know in WR. He is trying to explain a concept and I am not familiar with the word. He shows me a picture of what he means and I get that we are talking about a volcanic vent and ask him is that is the case and is it like the one that made the basalt quarry in Hallswall in Christchurch. He says yes and we talk about this for a while.

Digging With Chris in a new scene that we have just been bumped into. There are people looking at the ground and digging and Chris explains that below is his family history and there is a story that he wants to know about. He is digging and I see a double ended tool like a paddle and pick this up and start helping him and he is OK with me digging into his family history. We are clearing dirt away from a big old tree stump and I break through into a hollow below and am told that it is the hut that his ancestors lived in and he wants to know what happened in there. I dig some more and the tree stump appears to now be sitting in a hole and looks a little odd. I realize that it is more like on of the portals that I want to start going through but have been reluctant to do so for a long time. I fall forward and into the stump and move through and am now on the floor of the hut and lying down. I am in another persons body but with my awareness so I am an actor and observer at the same time. There is some noise and I wake up and stand up, a man is in front of me with a chopping tool and he hits me mid chest and cuts me open. I feel the blade go in and feel the cut and then I die.

I am now back up on the ground above and explain to Chris what happened in the hut. I tell him that the mans name is James and this is very clear and I have no doubt of the name.

I move from this dream to another

Did you stay lucid from one scene to the next? Sounds like quite a long one. I have only had one or two times where I stayed lucid during scene changes, for me it's easy to miss the transtion and lose lucidity.

I did in this sequence and had a few more dreams after that with some degree of lucidity. Most times in a deep lucid I stay that way from beginning to end without to much trouble. This was a new type of experience for me with the awareness that I held of two bodies in one and no supplements at all so a nice natural WILD

WBTB - Lucid

Looking at wooden floor of bedroom and admiring the pattern in the planks, the wood is spongy and I cant think why. I wonder if I am dreaming and then a big crack appears in the planks - AHA, dreaming, lucid.

In a room with a lot of DC and having a debate with one of them about religion and the value of it. Went on for a long time and was great.

Non-lucid

Early in the night I was in a kitchen slicing up beef into very thin portions and eating and sharing this with some DC.

Note - I have only eaten meat a few times in the last few months as I have had no taste for it, a sign from within to eat some?

Bring on the coffee - CBTB

Early evening vivid - dreams of gold nuggets, pulling them out of the ground and feeling the texture of the gold. Others around me and they are looking but just cant seem to see what I can and dont find any at all. I step back and they look in my spot and still dont find any.

430am Coffee, back to bed Stormy night, laying in bed letting the chatter run it course

On a bus and there are lots of people there talking about a race they are about to do, I listen and enjoy the happy feelings they have.
I am now on a steep street looking at a mixed team about to start the race, they go and another team comes out of a side street. It is a false start so the race is halted. A man goes past on a bike with a lot of bags strapped to the bike, he is riding easy with a big load. I move up the hill to get a better look.

I am now carrying an outboard motor from a boat into a workshop to get repaired, I know the place and the man so he is able to fix the motor if I leave it. I look in his mouth when he is talking and he has an odd set of teeth - big bridges and caps that should not fit in the space but think nothing of it.

I am now running up a steep hill-easy, the hill gets steeper-easy, it now get impossibly steep-easy, aha - I wonder, dreaming as I have that bounding floating feeling. I look up and decide to drift to the clouds, there is a figure like a shop mannequin floating up so I decide to follow it and I drift up into the sky.

There is floating garden on a platform, I place my hands on some materials and then push gently and mingle with the structure. I feel the tingling vibration and absorb this energy and feel it charging me and I enjoy this for a while.

I drift away

Street scene I see a man and grab him by the shoulder and say "I know you" " yes you do" so I ask him to show me something meaningful and he replies with a laugh " they all ask that" and I say "yes but you said you would help" and the reply " we will all help" his speech gets funny and I am not putting up with this ask for him to slow down and make sense and he does.

There was a girl sitting on the pave and she is now with us in a room and my DC gives me a small plastic box and asks me to hold it steady at eye level. I do this and it comes to life and a few lights go on, he says to keep it steady and I do this. The insides have lots of parts moving in a fashion like a printing press and I tell him that is a camera and it making some images. Yes it is and I look a little longer and then give it back. Next toy is a small grey submarine, it is made of a material like liquid but holds its shape, I drop it and it grows legs and lands and becomes like a space station. A model spaceship?

Before going back to sleep I was reminding myself that I need to be awake just after 6am to make a call.

I am in the dressing room and the floor is wet, this is annoying as it is raining outside and I did not expect any leaks and know the windows are closed. I move back into the bedroom and stand beside the bed, I wonder...I place my hand on the bedside cabinet and test the surface, it wont give so I press harder still not sure. I gives but its more of a break like rotten wood and I think I might have broken it but still not sure. I move to the glass doors, it is daylight as it should be and still raining. I press against the glass firmly and it gives a little...Ahh FA

Out the doors, drift up, partly formed scene. I am hanging on a wall, I take a brick out and throw it at a window in the distance and there is the lovely sound of breaking glass.

Wake up, 620am - perfect

Intent was to accept any energy and stabilize the dream, I remembered Dr T saying that coffee is hard to get stable with and that I should try as I seem to have some success with this.

Got stable nicely and dream time about 25 - 40 minutes in total. Became nicely aware while running up a hill

I should have asked for or looked for the images from the camera and could have used them for a scene change I should have put myself in the sub/space ship and gone on a voyage

Dream recall is back and a very busy night

I tried some guided visualization last night on going to bed and dropped into a dream, I woke from that and got and not sure what happened but got a result.

Vivid at bedtime My kids going onto a river, one drifts away and is out of sight. I then see her swimming and she gets back safe. Recall thinking that she is young and I did not think she could swim that well. I was relieved.

Wake, attempt a WILD. This is in the early evening and about 20 minutes after going to bed and just after the first dream that occurred. So much for not dreaming in the early evening

I was attempting a WILD and not sure what happened, again the mantra of accepting energy and the fact that I wanted to get lucid. No other goals.

Relaxing, mantra in my head, feel very subtle energy shift away from body and put my awareness there and want to ride this to a lucid state. Next instant I am lying in bed and describing to a female the process of going from awake to lucid via an OBE. I tell her that I relax, I feel my mind change, I smile inside at this shift, I feel a vibration in my hands, I see some lights pulsing in my vision, I feel my energy body leaving my physical body. All the time I am taking to her and can see her. Next it gets odd, I now say that I have just left my physical body and my awareness is now in my energy body and I felt the shift and can she still here me. She replies that yes she can and what is happening now, I am now in a partly formed scene with some crystals of some sort in front of me. There is a big pile of them and in watching they start to change to small balls or particles. I now put out my arms and stretch towards them and the energy flows from them into me, I spent a few minutes like this and tell the lady that I was taking energy from this matter and now I have enough.

Wake up

I am not sure what happened as I was lucid from the onset and while it was a process that I am familiar with it was described in great detail along with the actions. There was a chance of a duel awareness here with me describing but also receiving so it was a lesson that polished up my ability to get lucid. Looking forward to getting to bed tonight. I will start using the ZEO again to see if this is REM or not

Vivids Boats, chasing fish, boat goes ashore, boat is now a horse and injured, I lay next to horse and comfort it.

Opening of new museum and I am invited, have work boots on and cant go in, get given bright pink shoes by doormen and go in

I am given a bracelet of some sort, it made of a thin silver wire and has small dots of sliver on it. They start to attach to me and sting. it get worse if I leave it so i pull them off one at a time and they leave small holes in my skin, bleed and hurt. I keep pulling them off

On phone to friend, he sounds hungover, he is now next to me. People are in my house and eating and drinking, they are getting out of control and I want them to go.

Home is now a multi sortied building and people are stealing, I get them out

I see a picture of me on the wall, it is life size and I am holding a child, I see that it is one of my daughters. I look at the face and it is the familiar one of me with two sets of eyes and the upper set is independent of me and looking out at me. The various DC's that are around are a little scared of this image and shy away, I am not worried, I dont understand it but have come to terms with seeing my face like this a long time ago.

In the Kitchen and my partner is wanting to get her hair cut very short, she does not think I will like it but I say to do what she wants and I will be happy.

Big night with 11 dreams and one lucid in there. It was an interesting one and like a lot of them I am still glowing from the charge up and looking forward to polishing up the dream entries. It was without supps of any kind and that is nice.

can some one please explain the finger tapping, or where to find it. :)

ok I found it :)

good, was going to reply today. Had a good but busy weekend. any questions just ask

WILD – no supps WBTB – quietly observing my mind – body scan – eyes closed and looking at the darkness – bck to body scan – patiently waiting – the hunter hunts – waits and is rewarded, the vibrations are now quietly building. Now starting to float out of my physical body and just noticing this without any will or action to place awareness away. I know my dream body is already formed up and that I need to do nothing but quietly wait as I am already there. There is the impression of needing to roll to the right so and I don’t assist or resist this at all. Deepen in now but not full out and away. My vision starts to arrive and a hand reaches out of the darkness and gently but firmly holds my hand, there is the vague impression of another form floating in the darkness just to my right. Hands together now and I am gently guided out of my resting position and am now floating in the air and then we drift down to the floor and are standing there together still holding hands. We walk to the doors and then float out to the night sky, when I next look down I see far below some kids playing on a trampoline. We are so high that they look like little dots. I want to join in and my double ( I know this energy form) tells me that I know what to do and can do it so just let go and trust myself. I now let myself fall and the ground is coming up very fast, at the last minute the trampoline disappears and I come to a gentle stop just above the ground. Control is easy and its more like I expect it so it occurs. I now gently land and see that it is my children playing, I give them all cuddles and then move on. Note, interesting dream entry. I have been working on WILD without any supplements for a while and was rewarded last night. I feel it should be as easy as waking up to enter a lucid state by WIlD and now think I have made a lot of progress towards this idea and goal. The energy form feels solid and strong and I knew instantly it was me in some form, another part of me or what I don’t know but the imprint is one I have felt a few times over the years and one I have had conversations with in the past The rest of the time after this was fully lucid and I let the dreams run and just enjoyed the time.

Peter wrote: 25/07/2014 Coffee G/C

WILD Just one excerpt from an intense morning and a new experience for me.

Lying in bed and letting my awareness wander around my body while the feelings of an OBE start to build up. I exit by rolling onto the floor and I am standing in a semi dark room as it should be this hour of the morning and walk over to the glass doors. I push and play with the glass and as always it spongy so I push it around a bit more and then walk back a bit and run at it. The harder I hit it the more it pushes back like a trampoline and I do this a few times.

Next up I decide to walk back to the bed and see my sleeping body as I have not done this before and I am curious about what I might find. No surprise as I go back and quietly look at a sleeping body, mine and as it should be tucked up under the sheets. This is where its gets odd for me anyway. I hear the breathing and that’s normal as I have heard that lots when having a duel awareness of my body going about its functions but I hear some talking. Sleeping I says hello to the OBE me and I am a little puzzled by this. I then say to OBE me, “ please don’t leave without me, can I come with you” I have no idea of what to make of this and start to move back a little and the sleeping me starts to cry and get upset. OBE me now (this is a fully aware experience and where all thought is occurring) goes back and cuddles and talks to the sleeping me until I hear the steady breathing of a sleeping body and feel the energy calm down. I next go quietly to the glass doors and gently exit through them, stand on the balcony and make sure the sleeping body is not following as I for some reason I don’t want a sleepwalking me to fall off and get hurt ( I have never sleepwalked but it seems like a sensible thing to do)

I have never had this sort of experience before and it seemed like some basic form of awareness in the sleeping body knew something was missing and wanted comfort so I did that.

Any thoughts welcome

I havent really got any thoughts about that but thought it sounded like a very interesting experience to have. I too havent tried looking at my sleeping body before (Ive been a little scared of doing that for some strange reason).

Your glass experience, is exactly like I experience walls (I havent tried going throu glass).

Peter - I just read your amazing dream report from 1/23/14 - Into the Light. This reminds me a lot of accounts I read years ago in Michael Newton's book "Journey of Souls" where people who are hypnotized talk about their lives in between lives. The reports have so many similarities, one being that there are core groups in between lives that we keep returning to and we have things we study for our soul's evolution. The way you were pulled into the light after asking for a more profound experience and then what followed give me the sense that you might have been experiencing this life between lives phenomenon. This may be too far out there for you but it rings true for me. Either way it was an extremely cool experience. I especially love the teaching technique you showed the guy. Thanks for sharing! I'm going to try and remember to ask the dream for a more profound experience next time I'm lucid.

Thanks for the feedback, I post only a very small amount of the lucid s and what I call deep lucids as I am not sure how some of them will be received.

Nothing is too far out there at all so good to hear about what you think. I tend to just explore and dont have a framework to fit experience into so its easy to keep going as there is no end.

I truly don't know how to put a lot of the dreams into any context and am doubtful on past lives and a lot of explanations but that does not stop them from happening. I dont think there is a limit to the dreamscape and what can be produced or experienced as it really is unknown ground.

The entries like that one are intense and mind blowing and the intensity and reality are hard to capture as you feel you are truly living the moments but it fades and you wake up and so it goes. Any thoughts are welcome and I dont mind being wrong in what I think as that always brings on new understanding.

I will have a look at the book as well, that may give me a few ideas

23/9/2014 Under Water WB2B G + C WILD – just drifted to fully formed dream. Lovely easy entry just like waking up Long lucid so some extracts In a room with my partner and a model plane flies towards me, I put up my hand knowing it is going to hit me and hurt but allow it to do so, a good thump and the planes propeller hits my palm and chews up some fingers. It hurts and I don’t react but allow the pain to radiate to my arm and it dissipates. I am happy with my control and now show my partner how to heal yourself in a dream and we both watch my hand and fingers grow back to normal once more.

Now is its just me in a vast ship under the water, a submarine that is full of people on a voyage. The sub is slowly breaking up and there are upset people all around me. I feel it flexing, the structure moving under the weight of the water and it is creaking and groaning under the pressure. Looking back to see what a noise is I see a wall of water rushing along a corridor and so move to another space and close the doors behind me wondering if it will stop it for a few moments. It is now quiet and I look around, there are windows looking out to the ocean along one side of the room and a set of floors above me. I turn around to see a lady struggling to breathe and in a panic, curious as there is plenty of air in her I go to her, take a deep breath and breath into her mouth. I do this a few times and she settles. Another man on the floor above has a small weapon and is threating people, I find a small tool on the ground and throw it at him, he is distracted and I now float up to stand beside him. He points the pistol at me, I laugh and just take it off him and walk away. He is now surrounded by people wanting to give him comfort. Floating down to the floor below I move to the windows and start to gently push my way through them into the darkness of the ocean on the other side. Now in the cool water I look around and see it starting to lighten up and then some of the water moves away and I am standing next to a coloured pool of water that is lighted from within. There are shapes in the pool that I understand are life forms and so I jump in and feel the energy start to take me over. I relax in here until I lose awareness and wake up. I record the dream and then enter another Notes. I have had a very tight muscle in my hip and with some intense stretching it has loosened up in a day and the pain has gone so I wonder if some of this dream is a litteral way of experienced this healing of tissue. The creaking and groaning of tight muscle being stretched and the pool of light as the release of pain. Also the stressed people could be individual stressed muscle cells?

Peter wrote: The creaking and groaning of tight muscle being stretched and the pool of light as the release of pain. Also the stressed people could be individual stressed muscle cells?

I like your dream interpretation there :)

Hi there, thanks for that. It was an easy link to make and fun to write up

I've never used Choline before. Can you advise as to if there are any side effects at all?

So far there have not been any side effects for me. I use sparingly and that is about once every two weeks. In combo with G and it works well but wont help much if you have not had a few LD's and have no control over your dreams.

I had been lucid for a while and found myself in a darkish quiet space. In a room and for some reason I looked about and then ahead. There was a small blue spot in my vision and I have seen this at times during waking hours poking out into my visual field. I looked at it and then put my hands in front of me about shoulder height. I asked with will for the light to grow or expand and it did. The dot filled the space between my palms and took up an oval shape. It was a clear shape with blue flecks and bands running between both palms and got very hot. I put my palms closer together and then out again and it changed to a ball of light and back to an oval. I played with the shape and intensity for a while. It made my hands vibrate and get hot. The last thing that happened is it changed from a blue oval between outstretched palms to a very tight ball of red light. I let it go after that.

an update on my attempts to make WILD as easy as waking up

I have not posted a dream for a while but have been averaging around 3 lucids a week for the last couple of years so no let up at all in that area. Some dry spells and some really massive runs as well

Been working on WILD for around 18months to see if I can get it where it feels as natural as waking up in the morning and becoming aware of this reality. A lot of progress lately with the last couple of weeks providing some insights. I am getting lucid 3 or 4 times a week and in each session there maybe 2 or 3 entries at least. Its very easy to do this but has taken a long time and I have had a lot of experience at WILD and a lot of success over a lot of years. WBTB with getting up for around 2 to 2.5 hours, a cup of coffee and then back to bed is the key. I sleep no more 4 to 5 hours in the first sleep at most and sometimes a lot less. I also dream and recall from the first sleep quite easily but don't record many of these as it would just be too many entries. WBTB - relax, look at the darkness and expect nothing at all. just look and that's all you do. Wait and wait and just observe. Some changes occur in the field in font of your eyes, let them, take notice but don't react in any way to them. This is the crucial point as you are very close to entering the dream. I will a few variations at this point, a sense of motion, of going somewhere, or see a scene form up. I still do nothing but observe and notice and if I get this right in an instant I will be in the dream just standing there. There can be a few odd feelings in your body just around this entry time as you disconnect from external impute and if you react to them in anyway you will ping out and need to start again. This has taken a long time and a lot of noticing and thinking about the mini changes that occur in going from waking to dreaming with unbroken awareness but the results are amazing to me. Around twice a week its an effortless and amazing transition to a fully aware dreaming state. No supps other than coffee and that's around 2 to 2.5 hours earlier so not sure if it will have a great effect at that point. Longest times in lucid state are around 2 hours with a lot of 30 - 50 minutes events.

Thanks for sharing. It was very interesting to read how you do WILD as you do it very differently then me, opposite in some ways.

Im going to give your way a go.

great, keep me posted and how about posting how you do it and I will try that as well

28/1/15 WB2B WILD Relaxing and looking at the darkness, a small wisp of energy float out and somehow I am just there, only lasts a few moments as I start to think about how and what just happened.

This was interesting as in amongst the darkness and waiting for the usual images and feelings this thread or energy is there. Its no more that what would be a cup of water thrown into the air and I am attracted to it in some way, in an instant I am lucid and puzzled. So fast and so easy I did not comprehend the jump. One more piece of the puzzle to ponder

DILD In a big room, massive glass windows and a lot of big pc screens in front of me. I am In my virtual trading room where I want to practise a few ideas and sort some issues. I am happy getting on with it and know I am lucid but make no effort to RC. A DC wanders up to me and says he is there for the exam. Great and he is keenly watching me, I tell him we are dreaming and he is interested and I put my fingers through my hand and then into my head and wiggle them around a bit. The DC then does the same with his fingers and next puts his thumb in his mouth. Crunch, crunch he bits his thumb off, pulls his hand out and watches it grow back. Now it’s his fingers, again some wicked crunching sounds and he pulls out his hand and watches the fingers grow back. A decent lucid after this but not important.

Interesting that in the last few months the DC’s are accepting they are lucid and have no problems with RC’s and are enjoying the experience. I wonder if it runs with my goals of easy natural WILD’s and me becoming more accepting of anything I find in the dreamspace and that lucid’s are in my mind totally natural and meant to be

Interesting that in the last few months the DC’s are accepting they are lucid and have no problems with RC’s and are enjoying the experience. I wonder if it runs with my goals of easy natural WILD’s and me becoming more accepting of anything I find in the dreamspace and that lucid’s are in my mind totally natural and meant to be

Id think it is probably that reason for it too.

Peter wrote: great, keep me posted and how about posting how you do it and I will try that as well

The things we do completely different are (Im not saying you are wrong with anything below as what works obviously works but just my thinking is very different to yours).

1/ I dont believe in disturbing ones sleep to have a LD (I have had a lot of sleep issues in past) so never wake myself up

2/ I dont believe its a good thing to rely on a substance of any kind for a LD (can develop "a habit" in which then a person may not be able to LD without it).

3/ I dont tend to usually get visual images before I go into a LD (I do only in about 5% of cases). On the very rare occassions I do get one, half the time or more, I manage to use the image by interacting with it in some way to use it to draw myself into the LD (so I do opposite to you there).

eg an inch wide patch of colour I'll expand with my mind by thinking of getting closer to it so hence it growing.. I then will suddenly find myself in a scene, that patch of colour has then became something eg the wall paper on the wall.

or say on a rare occassion I havent felt my dream body being elsewhere yet but have heard a voice near my physical body. I'll try to engage with it eg I imagine myself talking to the voice (I usually mentally project out "who are you?" I usually end up finding myself in a LD.

4/ I may just "feel" im in the right state to trigger off a LD and then do something to enter one eg feel Im in the right state to have an experience then just summersault and suddenly find myself in a LD

5/ Much of the time when I do WILD, my senses enter a dream at different rates (so I will aware of both my physical body and also the LD Im in at the same time).

eg Commonly my sense of feel enters a dream first. I can feel myself elsewhere eg standing on a street of a busy road but still hear and feel the physical world too, my sense of feel is often the only sense at first. I dont have dream sight at this point, that tends for me to be my last sense which comes into a LD.

I will be aware of my dream body breathing at the same time my physical body is breathing (interestingly they breath at different rates, it is sometimes something like that which alerts me to that Im entering a LD). I think I may be far more active pulling myself into a dream by focusing on whatever sense is in the dream place. I really work at times at getting myself there.

6/ I also dont use any set techinque. I go by whatever feels right to me "that night" to get me into the LD state. eg chanting, focusing on my physical, holding dream world in my mind or whatever else feels right at time. Someone one night can feel completely wrong way to go another night (so I dont really have a technique to share). My experience of entering a LD is often quite different to the time before eg your wisp experience... I never know in what manner Im going to enter the LD in (thats one of the things with my LDs I find interesting).

:) you can see from these things we do our LD quite differently.

Interesting that in the last few months the DC’s are accepting they are lucid and have no problems with RC’s and are enjoying the experience. I wonder if it runs with my goals of easy natural WILD’s and me becoming more accepting of anything I find in the dreamspace and that lucid’s are in my mind totally natural and meant to be

Id think it is probably that reason for it too.

Peter wrote: great, keep me posted and how about posting how you do it and I will try that as well

The things we do completely different are (Im not saying you are wrong with anything below as what works obviously works but just my thinking is very different to yours).

1/ I dont believe in disturbing ones sleep to have a LD (I have had a lot of sleep issues in past) so never wake myself up

2/ I dont believe its a good thing to rely on a substance of any kind for a LD (can develop "a habit" in which then a person may not be able to LD without it).

3/ I dont tend to usually get visual images before I go into a LD (I do only in about 5% of cases). On the very rare occassions I do get one, half the time or more, I manage to use the image by interacting with it in some way to use it to draw myself into the LD (so I do opposite to you there).

eg an inch wide patch of colour I'll expand with my mind by thinking of getting closer to it so hence it growing.. I then will suddenly find myself in a scene, that patch of colour has then became something eg the wall paper on the wall.

or say on a rare occassion I havent felt my dream body being elsewhere yet but have heard a voice near my physical body. I'll try to engage with it eg I imagine myself talking to the voice (I usually mentally project out "who are you?" I usually end up finding myself in a LD.

4/ I may just "feel" im in the right state to trigger off a LD and then do something to enter one eg feel Im in the right state to have an experience then just summersault and suddenly find myself in a LD

5/ Much of the time when I do WILD, my senses enter a dream at different rates (so I will aware of both my physical body and also the LD Im in at the same time).

eg Commonly my sense of feel enters a dream first. I can feel myself elsewhere eg standing on a street of a busy road but still hear and feel the physical world too, my sense of feel is often the only sense at first. I dont have dream sight at this point, that tends for me to be my last sense which comes into a LD.

I will be aware of my dream body breathing at the same time my physical body is breathing (interestingly they breath at different rates, it is sometimes something like that which alerts me to that Im entering a LD). I think I may be far more active pulling myself into a dream by focusing on whatever sense is in the dream place. I really work at times at getting myself there.

6/ I also dont use any set techinque. I go by whatever feels right to me "that night" to get me into the LD state. eg chanting, focusing on my physical, holding dream world in my mind or whatever else feels right at time. Something one night can feel completely wrong way to go another night (so I dont really have a technique to share). My experience of entering a LD is often quite different to the time before eg your wisp experience... I never know in what manner Im going to enter the LD in (thats one of the things with my LDs I find interesting).

:) you can see from these things we do our LD quite differently.

The things we do completely different are (Im not saying you are wrong with anything below as what works obviously works but just my thinking is very different to yours).

1/ I dont believe in disturbing ones sleep to have a LD (I have had a lot of sleep issues in past) so never wake myself up

I just happen to get up 5 days a week very early for an hour or two WB2B is just something that I take advantage of. I also have had a lifetime of broken sleep and got some help a few years back to sort it out. I dont think I have ever slept a full night in my life

2/ I dont believe its a good thing to rely on a substance of any kind for a LD (can develop "a habit" in which then a person may not be able to LD without it).

I dont rely on anything, I take coffee because I like it at 3am but its mainly gone by the time I get to bed and I have a lot of lucids without anything. A lot of medicines and herbs can affect sleep so they will affect dreaming

3/ I dont tend to usually get visual images before I go into a LD (I do only in about 5% of cases). On the very rare occassions I do get one, half the time or more, I manage to use the image by interacting with it in some way to use it to draw myself into the LD (so I do opposite to you ther e).

eg an inch wide patch of colour I'll expand with my mind by thinking of getting closer to it so hence it growing.. I then will suddenly find myself in a scene, that patch of colour has then became something eg the wall paper on the wall.

Mine normally either start with nothing as I change from waking to sleeping and dreaming. I used to as you say use the images but now find that doing nothing is a lot more effective as it will draw me in if I let it. I get more hits this way than trying to engage with the images

4/ I may just "feel" im in the right state to trigger off a LD and then do something to enter one eg feel Im in the right state to have an experience then just summersault and suddenly find myself in a LD

Is this when you in a normal dream and to get lucid ?

5/ Much of the time when I do WILD, my senses enter a dream at different rates (so I will aware of both my physical body and also the LD Im in at the same time).

Same, I wander around feeling first and then when I am firmly in there I will start to see. If I do this to soon I will ping out of the dream.

6/ I also dont use any set techinque. I go by whatever feels right to me "that night" to get me into the LD state. eg chanting, focusing on my physical, holding dream world in my mind or whatever else feels right at time. Something one night can feel completely wrong way to go another night (so I dont really have a technique to share). My experience of entering a LD is often quite different to the time before eg your wisp experience... I never know in what manner Im going to enter the LD in (thats one of the things with my LDs I find interesting).

I have a lot of different ways to get lucid but what I was describing was a long running experiment to make a WILD more regular and easier to enter. Every time I close my eyes I try, anytime anyplace and so when I go to bed early evening and back to bed in the morning I try as well.

apart from this we are really more alike that not as like you there are a lot of ways to get lucid

thanks for the detail, it was interesting

Thanks for more details, yeah there more things we do alike then I was awake and I'd thought till you shared that I was the only one here who's senses had been entering dreams at different rates.

Mine normally either start with nothing as I change from waking to sleeping and dreaming. I used to as you say use the images but now find that doing nothing is a lot more effective as it will draw me in if I let it. I get more hits this way than trying to engage with the images.

Do you think thou it could be cause you are expecting them to "draw you in"? or its working without any thought and expectation?

Maybe I should try to hold that expectation and see if that can work for me next time I get an image first.. just watching HI thou doesnt work at all for me.

I just happen to get up 5 days a week very early for an hour or two WB2B is just something that I take advantage of. I also have had a lifetime of broken sleep and got some help a few years back to sort it out. I dont think I have ever slept a full night in my life.

Sounds like that is one of the reasons it doesnt bother you much. Im the grumpiest person out if I get disturbed during night or wake up early. Ive never been an early bird! (I was always in trouble at school for getting there late).

:) coffee for me is extremely stimulating, Id never be able to go back to sleep. I would probably have me wanting to pee in the dream too.

4/ I may just "feel" im in the right state to trigger off a LD and then do something to enter one eg feel Im in the right state to have an experience then just summersault and suddenly find myself in a LD

That was before I get into a dream. Sometimes when Im in a very still state, I can feel when Im about to be able to go into a LD before anything at all happens or before anything weird. Its like feeling a different state or just knowing that one is in the right state. When Im like that, I know I can instantly transition into an experience.

I have a lot of different ways to get lucid but what I was describing was a long running experiment to make a WILD more regular and easier to enter.

ah cool. I think its better having a lot of different ways to do this depending on what feels right at time.

For anyone that is interested, an interview I just completed just up on the NYMag site.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/02/what-its-like-to-be-a-lucid-dreamer.html

5/3/2015 FA to lucid I am lying on the carpet in the sun on my lounge floor and I start to float of the ground. I thought I was awake and for an instant I am puzzled by this but get that I am dreaming so just enjoy the sensation of floating. I had been thinking that is was a while since I had floated from the earth to the stars on going to bed so was happy that I was drifting off the floor and aware of it. I now start to get a shiver in my spine and the room darkens. This is a familiar feeling and action that comes from time to time in my dreams and is accompanied by sense of dread. I feel like I am being floated and invaded by an energy but for the first time ever I just feel this sensation and make the decision to allow it to run its course. I am floating up in the darkness and the feeling starts to ease so I take over and will myself over to the doors to make an exit to the outside and start to drift up. I am just outside and I feel a hand rest on my shoulder, it is strong and firm and I place my hand on top of this one and turn around. I look at a figure next to me and ask why you are here and who are you. I get a reply that I am watching you and want to go with you. My response is do you know what you look like or who are you with the DC replying “ I have no idea of what form I take here, I don’t have your senses” I am told that I have a rare talent in that I can pass through metal and we talk about this. I talk about raising energy and becoming light and raise my arms to demonstrate the process of calling up some energy. My fingers start to flicker with small points of blue light and then start glow and heat up. I stop at the point of my hands shimmering as I have demonstrated the form I need to move to some of the deeper dream states.

It was an interesting lucid, no supplements and of reasonable length. I also have that after glow that remains after an energy experience concerning light The feeling of dread I first felt has been a barrier for a lot of years as it totally invades your dream body and has me whimpering in my dreams a lot of time. I hope I have now passed another level in my dreams.

I very easily close my eyes at anytime of the day and can relax and bring up images or just watch the show. I am not sure if this is HI or what but its clear and vivid to varying degrees and I can interact and play with the visuals.

So for yesterday for fun I asked for 3 cups to appear and wanted to play the game of "where is the ball" its a scam I have seen in Paris by street vendors. I ask for 3 cups and a ball and very soon in my mind there are 3 cups moving around as they should. This is what I call seeing without seeing so its all internal and clear enough to be sketched or described. The cups stop and I ask to see under one and I find the ball. I do this again and there is some wicked shuffling and I find it. A few more times and I get it wrong so "accuse" my SC of cheating, it funny enough to make me laugh and real enough as well. I ask for all 3 cups to be lifted and there is no ball, my SC was cheating so next I think I can fool my SC so I ask for clear cups. I can see the ball as the cups are shuffling around and think "yes" my SC will not win or cheat this time. The cups stop and they are overlapped in a patten that makes it impossible to know which cup the ball is under as it appears to be under all 3.

Its so funny and yet a direct interaction with the SC and the action is independent of my will as I have no control over the results. it amazes me and its also easy to ask for and change the visuals or ask for random changes and they will occur.

No idea what state this is as I am just relaxing and training my mind and having fun as well.

yee ha, lucid last night a few times. In one WILD the dream just wrapped around me and I took the motion and was flying my PSV (personal space vechile) so much fun and in another a DC opened a small flask and instructed me to sniff the contents. on the second attempt some amber liquid came out and the scent was strong but cant compare it to anything but got shifted to another deeper dream. Was awesome. Riding bikes as well, doing wheelstands on road bikes, riding steep single track MTB as well.

Peter wrote: I very easily close my eyes at anytime of the day and can relax and bring up images or just watch the show. I am not sure if this is HI or what but its clear and vivid to varying degrees and I can interact and play with the visuals.

So for yesterday for fun I asked for 3 cups to appear and wanted to play the game of "where is the ball" its a scam I have seen in Paris by street vendors. I ask for 3 cups and a ball and very soon in my mind there are 3 cups moving around as they should. This is what I call seeing without seeing so its all internal and clear enough to be sketched or described. The cups stop and I ask to see under one and I find the ball. I do this again and there is some wicked shuffling and I find it. A few more times and I get it wrong so "accuse" my SC of cheating, it funny enough to make me laugh and real enough as well. I ask for all 3 cups to be lifted and there is no ball, my SC was cheating so next I think I can fool my SC so I ask for clear cups. I can see the ball as the cups are shuffling around and think "yes" my SC will not win or cheat this time. The cups stop and they are overlapped in a patten that makes it impossible to know which cup the ball is under as it appears to be under all 3.

Its so funny and yet a direct interaction with the SC and the action is independent of my will as I have no control over the results. it amazes me and its also easy to ask for and change the visuals or ask for random changes and they will occur.

No idea what state this is as I am just relaxing and training my mind and having fun as well.

Yes Peter they're HI; unless you can't see them clearly. HI are always clearly seen the more vague and flash like imaginings. They can be a vague as stick figures, are usually 2d, but can be 3d. You can play much more complex games than the Shell Game out of HI, as complex as any 2d PC or video game and in my opinion 3d too (though the 3d ones might be NREM LD). IMO even when you have a complex and realistic 3d scene that does not stream one is still in HI.

PS I did try going though one of the walls in hell as you suggested and within 24 hours of when you suggested. Unfortunately from hell I was transported to a Medieval town, well lit with the buildings mainly made out of rubble - I was so disappointed I chose to wake up.

LOL - have another go... its interesting how and where we end up but I always find that in one sense its all ok and there is no harm just a mental barrier broken and leaving where we were is the key point.

the HI is always clear enough to draw if I wanted and i can all it up pretty much at will. Sometimes the images are as good as HD video or as low quality as washed out film. Every time I close my eyes I seek and find some form of HI and really enjoy playing around with it.

i was really excited a while back when I discovered I could make requests and change it or make requests and let the HI react of its own accord. That is the most interesting part and a link to the organic computer of the SC or one part of it.

Any hints of tips on deeper control or interaction are welcome as you may be more experienced with this HI