So what's paranormal?
Is paranormal a better relationship and understanding with animals than most people have? Is it seeing the light glow of a stand of trees when silhouetted by the dark sky? If it being a bit too good and understanding peoples emotions when they talk to you? Maybe it's just being empathic to the point others smile because you are smiling, you know those people who can light up a room or drag it down within seconds of being there? Maybe you are the person that when you say a heart felt prayer it almost always seems things do get better. Or you wish some one ill will and the next day the bad news is waiting for you about what happened to them. :o
I don't have an answer and I don't profess to understand if any of that is real or perception. But I'd admit to having experience situations like those for myself or others I have known. Can any of you think of things that if you really looked at might not seem possible? :geek:
The case of Aleister Crowley aka The Great Beast 666 is a peculiar one. If I remember correctly, his death and that of a male witch is rumoured to be a product of a double-curse or tge outcome of a black magic battle of some sort. If you are interested in the occult, you will definitely find Crowley interesting.
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Summerlander wrote: The case of Aleister Crowley aka The Great Beast 666 is a peculiar one. If I remember correctly, his death and that of a male witch is rumoured to be a product of a double-curse or tge outcome of a black magic battle of some sort. If you are interested in the occult, you will definitely find Crowley interesting.
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Not so into the occult but I do find the stories of Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin interesting.
Rasputin! Yeah, he was another weirdo! :-D
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Most often it is an ability that is probability-based that is mistaken for superstition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0WcZFp2aCI ). Having a Probability Lucid Dream is possible if the exact number needed to trigger such an event was hit for example, however, it is very unlikely. Or it could be a magician or a prankster pulling a prank on their unsuspecting audience. Like in these 2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Dtsx-VGG0
nesgirl wrote: Most often it is an ability that is probability-based that is mistaken for superstition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0WcZFp2aCI ). Having a Probability Lucid Dream is possible if the exact number needed to trigger such an event was hit for example, however, it is very unlikely. Or it could be a magician or a prankster pulling a prank on their unsuspecting audience. Like in these 2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Dtsx-VGG0
While I am only mildly good at math the probability of any action that can be repeated at will is not just doubled but squared making it's probability infinite within a short period. No probability can't explain it anymore than Steven Hawkins 11 dimensions do.
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While I am only mildly good at math the probability of any action that can be repeated at will is not just doubled but squared making it's probability infinite within a short period. No probability can't explain it anymore than Steven Hawkins 11 dimensions do.
I never said it could be repeated at will. It is just a random event that no person has control over. Just because the probability is infinite doesn't mean it isn't possible. You can pick just about any number that is between 1 and infinity and still there is that distant possibility that the number will be hit.
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buildit wrote: While I am only mildly good at math the probability of any action that can be repeated at will is not just doubled but squared making it's probability infinite within a short period. No probability can't explain it anymore than Steven Hawkins 11 dimensions do.
I never said it could be repeated at will. It is just a random event that no person has control over. Just because the probability is infinite doesn't mean it isn't possible. You can pick just about any number that is between 1 and infinity and still there is that distant possibility that the number will be hit.
There is truth to that. As a kid my bedroom was struck by lightening...... twice in the same spot! So whoever said lightening never strikes the same spot twice. :roll:
So let me make your lives weird. I'm one of those people with a strong animal magnetism. So today when visiting a place called the Wilds in Eastern Ohio I was very popular because animals (well predators) would run to the fence to see me as we traveled around the enclosures. These animals get passed by hundreds of people daily and never pay them a notice. So WTF is going on? :shock:
buildit wrote: So let me make your lives weird. I'm one of those people with a strong animal magnetism. So today when visiting a place called the Wilds in Eastern Ohio I was very popular because animals (well predators) would run to the fence to see me as we traveled around the enclosures. These animals get passed by hundreds of people daily and never pay them a notice. So WTF is going on? :shock:
You aren't alone, the animals do that with me as well. Even at the pet store, they will start beating their paws/claws against the glass whenever I pass by. And the animals that I have will not stop craving attention from me.
So then is it our bright and sunny disposition the animals see or something Para-normal (beyond normal) they detect? Point is para normal doesn't have to be telekinesis, mind control or seeing the future. There are many ab normal events around us every day and the subconscious picks them up and then tries to explain them within dreams I think.
buildit wrote: So then is it our bright and sunny disposition the animals see or something Para-normal (beyond normal) they detect? Point is para normal doesn't have to be telekinesis, mind control or seeing the future. There are many ab normal events around us every day and the subconscious picks them up and then tries to explain them within dreams I think.
I don't think so. I really think there is something else they sense within us. I have even talked with birds and other wildlife, and they may look at me for a few minutes before continuing on with their activities. In the Dream Body controlled WILD I have, no matter what form they take, dream animals never ignore me, unlike one of the forms of DCs which will nearly always ignore me. In fact I can talk to them all I want and they will listen. With certain forms of dream animal, I can understand exactly what they are saying through a language I use in that Lucid Dream where we read emotions rather than words.
nesgirl wrote: I don't think so. I really think there is something else they sense within us. I have even talked with birds and other wildlife, and they may look at me for a few minutes before continuing on with their activities. In the Dream Body controlled WILD I have, no matter what form they take, dream animals never ignore me, unlike one of the forms of DCs which will nearly always ignore me. In fact I can talk to them all I want and they will listen. With certain forms of dream animal, I can understand exactly what they are saying through a language I use in that Lucid Dream where we read emotions rather than words.
I would define that as empathic.
buildit wrote:
nesgirl wrote:I don't think so. I really think there is something else they sense within us. I have even talked with birds and other wildlife, and they may look at me for a few minutes before continuing on with their activities. In the Dream Body controlled WILD I have, no matter what form they take, dream animals never ignore me, unlike one of the forms of DCs which will nearly always ignore me. In fact I can talk to them all I want and they will listen. With certain forms of dream animal, I can understand exactly what they are saying through a language I use in that Lucid Dream where we read emotions rather than words.
I would define that as empathic.
Maybe the same goes for you. I don't see anything paranormal though with talking to the animals however. They are living creatures like we are and can communicate like we can. Just like with learning another language, we would have to learn how they communicate to understand them.
What, don't you feel their anxiety, curiosity, excitement, anger, or fear? Read into their body language just like the facial expressions of someone who's lying to you. The tone and pitch of the sounds they make? Being empathic isn't just bites and bytes passed between to computers. :lol: ;)
buildit wrote: What, don't you feel their anxiety, curiosity, excitement, anger, or fear? Read into their body language just like the facial expressions of someone who's lying to you. The tone and pitch of the sounds they make? Being empathic isn't just bites and bytes passed between to computers. :lol: ;)
Of course I understand their language in that way. Animals are so much easier to read. In fact animals are so much easier to befriend as they will almost never criticize you for anything (provided you aren't mean to them). Oh and you have to see some videos of some animals, they are so funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOZnDVrfwm8&list=PLVPd_KA-dYoAXHTbum8KSKHl4IP0474Ut&index=3&src_vid=jnk15Wf6xMU&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_4033600541 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnk15Wf6xMU
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Summerlander wrote:The case of Aleister Crowley aka The Great Beast 666 is a peculiar one. If I remember correctly, his death and that of a male witch is rumoured to be a product of a double-curse or tge outcome of a black magic battle of some sort. If you are interested in the occult, you will definitely find Crowley interesting.
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Not so into the occult but I do find the stories of Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin interesting.
Aleister Crowley.. creepy. I once read about him purposely invoking a demon. Im surprised Summerlander to hear you reading that stuff. I steer clear of that kind of darker occult. ..
Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin (how on earth did you ever remember that name), Ive never heard of him, obviously Im missing something there. I'll have to find out more about him.
buildit wrote: Is paranormal a better relationship and understanding with animals than most people have? Is it seeing the light glow of a stand of trees when silhouetted by the dark sky? If it being a bit too good and understanding peoples emotions when they talk to you? Maybe it's just being empathic to the point others smile because you are smiling, you know those people who can light up a room or drag it down within seconds of being there? Maybe you are the person that when you say a heart felt prayer it almost always seems things do get better. Or you wish some one ill will and the next day the bad news is waiting for you about what happened to them.
buildit wrote: As a kid my bedroom was struck by lightening...... twice in the same spot! So whoever said lightening never strikes the same spot twice. :roll:
Its a bit odd and Im yet to figure it out but it seems that people like us who experience all the kind of things I quoted which you said in the first quote... tend to have the very weird experiences such as like in your second quote.
I know someone from online from another website who has been himself struck by lightnning 3 times I think it was. I myself, thank God I havent been ever struck by lightnning or even had it very close to me but I too have had the weirdest of coincidences before.
My elderly friend in his 70s, sees this kind of stuff going on so often with me that he even thinks its weird the kind of "synchronisty" or coincidences which occur around me. Many people on the spiritual path say the more along one gets the more synchronisity one gets.. I dont know what i think about that but it may be the case).
eg I'd lost my purse in the middle of the city (I live in the country). My purse was randomly found by my daughters father, his girlfriend's friend and hence delivered back to my home. I didnt even report it to the police or cancel any of my credit cards. (my elderly friend had been trying to get me to report my missing purse to the police but I said, "dont worry, my things are like homing devices and some how it will come back to me". Seriously they do. Lost or stolen, I usually get back.
It was so weird then to get a phone call from my own missing phone and hear a voice I knew on the other end of it. The person who randomly found it (I hadnt told anyone I'd lost it) just happened to know my daughters father, his girlfriend and had heard of me and recognised my name in the phone so driven it to our country town where they'd had been planning to visit the other anyway and given it to her to phone me. So then my exes partner rings me on my missing phone.
As I said, I live in the country and lost that purse/phone in the middle of city, the busiest part of the city. Apparently my purse and phone were just sitting at a bus stop on the seat. Strangely I never caught the bus when I was there or sat on a seat. I'd left the phone/purse on the roof of the car and driven off. Forgetting they were on the roof. So someone must of picked them up from the road, sat them neatly on the bus stop seat and then strangely left them there (of cause all my money was still in it), for another who had heard of me throu the other, who knew me to find. Who had already planned to go to my country town to see their friend who knew me that weekend (so was only 2 mins from my country home the next day). Purse had been lost 50km from my home.
I call it willing. I wasnt going to report my purse missing as I just willed it to come back to me. (umm probably some call that kind of paranormal, who knows if it was or coincidental but as I said, my lost purses and usually other things ALWAYS come back. All I need to do is trust they will).
Compared to some of my other coincidences, this one isnt all that weird.. just very very lucky.
builtit. have you had any telepathy with animals yet? They can be communicated with by telepathy. I had an spontanous experience with a rabbit which had gone missing for a week, it connected to me when a fox was after it (it was responsible for the telepathic link up with me). It was a horrible disturbing experience, it was screaming in my brain, I could hear it inside my head. I felt as that rabbit and could see out of its eyes but couldnt work out where it was throu its eyes as it ran. I think thou it was right at the end of my road (no way could I have got to it in time).
Funny that I didnt even think that rabbit liked me but it was me it reached out to when it was in big trouble.
It would be nice to be able to do telepathy with animals at will with nice things!!
Check out Rasputin too. He was like a demon-man. You'll love him.
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taniaaust1 wrote: builtit. have you had any telepathy with animals yet?
Funny that I didnt even think that rabbit liked me but it was me it reached out to when it was in big trouble.
It would be nice to be able to do telepathy with animals at will with nice things!!
I don't know about telepathy but I certainly am empathic to them. They seem to know my feelings and me theirs. Most would not find my perception of their world as favorable or kind. But then their reality is very different from ours.
I am at the same level as you are buildit. I can understand animals, but we certainly don't read each other's minds. We understand each other through empathy and body language. Empathy through some of my Lucid Dreams is so powerful I can easily interpret what they are saying through their emotions. It is in fact a key language in that type of Lucid Dream that even some of my high school friends who had similar Lucid Dreams knew very much about when we talked to each other's DCs as we could understand each other's DCs through empathy in these Lucid Dreams as well. In fact, most of the DCs and Dream animals in the Alien World of that Lucid Dream speak in that fashion. I am so glad that Tania blocked me. She might start getting into some creepy pasta subjects with me.
nesgirl wrote: I am so glad that Tania blocked me. She might start getting into some creepy pasta subjects with me.
Remember the next time you have italian it's not the pasta you are tasting but the sauce someone put on top of it. ;) :lol:
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nesgirl wrote:I am so glad that Tania blocked me. She might start getting into some creepy pasta subjects with me.
Remember the next time you have italian it's not the pasta you are tasting but the sauce someone put on top of it. ;) :lol:
Actually this is what Creepy Pasta really means: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Creepypasta
I actually meant topics that I am really frightened of. Like one of the times I posted my Lucid Dreams, and I politely asked users to not talk about the undead with me (because as you know I am phobic of it), she started posting all about it and her beliefs on it.
nesgirl wrote: Actually this is what Creepy Pasta really means: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Creepypasta
I actually meant topics that I am really frightened of. Like one of the times I posted my Lucid Dreams, and I politely asked users to not talk about the undead with me (because as you know I am phobic of it), she started posting all about it and her beliefs on it.
I understand but the analogy remains the same. ;) There are many things we as people reject out of someone elses definition. It doesn't mean I don't respect another persons opinion and right to choose but just because I dislike tomatoes doesn't mean I stopped likeing ketchup on my fries. :lol:
buildit wrote: I understand but the analogy remains the same. ;) There are many things we as people reject out of someone elses definition. It doesn't mean I don't respect another persons opinion and right to choose but just because I dislike tomatoes doesn't mean I stopped likeing ketchup on my fries. :lol:
I am phobic of the undead, and most of the other users understand that, but she doesn't understand that. It isn't that I don't want to respect her opinion, it is that I am afraid of it. If you want me to clarify why I am so afraid of it, I could. Remember we talked about that before? It isn't rejection, it is fear.
If you don't understand what it is like to be phobic of something, you might want to watch this Pokémon episode to see what it feels like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EJSJ2e0w3M Misty has a bug phobia, and cannot be around them without freaking out.
nesgirl wrote: I am phobic of the undead, and most of the other users understand that, but she doesn't understand that. It isn't that I don't want to respect her opinion, it is that I am afraid of it. If you want me to clarify why I am so afraid of it, I could. Remember we talked about that before? It isn't rejection, it is fear. .
I understand actually.....
phobia |ˈfōbēə| noun an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something:
buildit wrote:
nesgirl wrote:I am phobic of the undead, and most of the other users understand that, but she doesn't understand that. It isn't that I don't want to respect her opinion, it is that I am afraid of it. If you want me to clarify why I am so afraid of it, I could. Remember we talked about that before? It isn't rejection, it is fear. .
I understand actually..... phobia |ˈfōbēə| noun an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something:
Yes and that's how I feel about it. I don't mind talking about any other subject. Lucid Dreaming, communicating with the animals, video games, or any of the other paranormal subjects, just not that one. Actually I am a huge Zelda fan, and really love the Zelda games, but my deep fear keeps me from playing the DS game Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (don't make me talk about it), and I'd even play the Phillips Zelda games over that one (despite the fact those games were really poorly made). But I do love the Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, because as the main character, Link finds out before the 6th dungeon he's in a coma-induced dream (hence Link starts Lucid Dreaming), and the only way out of it is to wake up the Wind Fish and receive instructions to awaken from the coma, hence the title.
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buildit wrote:nesgirl wrote:I am phobic of the undead, and most of the other users understand that, but she doesn't understand that. It isn't that I don't want to respect her opinion, it is that I am afraid of it. If you want me to clarify why I am so afraid of it, I could. Remember we talked about that before? It isn't rejection, it is fear. .
I understand actually..... phobia |ˈfōbēə| noun an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something:
Yes and that's how I feel about it. I don't mind talking about any other subject. Lucid Dreaming, communicating with the animals, video games, or any of the other paranormal subjects, just not that one. Actually I am a huge Zelda fan, and really love the Zelda games, but my deep fear keeps me from playing the DS game Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (don't make me talk about it), and I'd even play the Phillips Zelda games over that one (despite the fact those games were really poorly made). But I do love the Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, because as the main character, Link finds out before the 6th dungeon he's in a coma-induced dream (hence Link starts Lucid Dreaming), and the only way out of it is to wake up the Wind Fish and receive instructions to awaken from the coma, hence the title.
Well, you'll never find me discussing Zelda. I never played the game. lol
buildit wrote: Well, you'll never find me discussing Zelda. I never played the game. lol
You don't know what you are missing out on then. Take a good look at this page for Zelda: http://www.zelda.com/universe/?ref=
Well and I have my own reasons for having my phobia.
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buildit wrote:Well, you'll never find me discussing Zelda. I never played the game. lol
You don't know what you are missing out on then. Take a good look at this page for Zelda: http://www.zelda.com/universe/?ref=
Well and I have my own reasons for having my phobia.
Been a long time since I was big on video games. Last one i did like was called Two Worlds and worked on my old xbox. The original Fable was fun too. When I was laid up with a broken leg 4 years ago I played both of them.
buildit wrote:
nesgirl wrote:buildit wrote:Well, you'll never find me discussing Zelda. I never played the game. lol
You don't know what you are missing out on then. Take a good look at this page for Zelda: http://www.zelda.com/universe/?ref=
Well and I have my own reasons for having my phobia.
Been a long time since I was big on video games. Last one i did like was called Two Worlds and worked on my old xbox. The original Fable was fun too. When I was laid up with a broken leg 4 years ago I played both of them. I've always been big on video games, mostly on the Nintendo system. However there were a couple of games I liked on the PlayStation. There was this one board game called Top Shop. Top Shop was a very mean competitive game where you'd open up your own stores in the mall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=808lF9DxbWs
nesgirl wrote: I've always been big on video games.
Not trying to be too ironic but we can tell. ;) You're not the first person I've met like this as one of the scientists I worked with was a WOWC fan in the extreme. She and her husband had separate bed rooms and computers so they could each enter the game at will without disturbing the other. I cam to the conclusion that we were truly of two very different realities. Often our interactions were hindered because she made references to games and the rules in them that I did not understand. Living in the boon docks I don't have access to internet high enough to play many online games. But then again I don't have a smart phone either. :lol: Anyone drive a stick with windows you have to roll up and door locks you have to lock by hand? I do... :roll:
buildit wrote:
nesgirl wrote:I've always been big on video games.
Not trying to be too ironic but we can tell. ;) You're not the first person I've met like this as one of the scientists I worked with was a WOWC fan in the extreme. She and her husband had separate bed rooms and computers so they could each enter the game at will without disturbing the other. I cam to the conclusion that we were truly of two very different realities. Often our interactions were hindered because she made references to games and the rules in them that I did not understand. Living in the boon docks I don't have access to internet high enough to play many online games. But then again I don't have a smart phone either. :lol: Anyone drive a stick with windows you have to roll up and door locks you have to lock by hand? I do... :roll:
I was introduced to the NES when I was really little. Was also given my own Gameboy. Also I am into Multimedia Design as well as video games. Multimedia Design like Lucid Dreaming allows one to create and design their own reality, however, you can do so while you are still awake, so it is just the best place to be. One day in the industry, we hope to invent virtual realities, however, it is only the designers that get to program what they wish in them.
nesgirl wrote: One day in the industry, we hope to invent virtual realities, however, it is only the designers that get to program what they wish in them.
I doubt I'll be around for when we have holo-decks like in Star Trek. ;)
buildit wrote:
nesgirl wrote:One day in the industry, we hope to invent virtual realities, however, it is only the designers that get to program what they wish in them.
I doubt I'll be around for when we have holo-decks like in Star Trek. ;)
I wonder if I'll even survive for that long?? That's pretty depressing. Well if they invent cloning before then, maybe I can create a clone of myself and have her complete the virtual reality in my stead.
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I wonder if I'll even survive for that long?? That's pretty depressing. Well if they invent cloning before then, maybe I can create a clone of myself and have her complete the virtual reality in my stead.
Better to have your mental EEG recored so it can be downloaded to a robot body in the future. I mean who wants to be cloned and go thru the whole thing again? :lol: :lol:
buildit wrote:
nesgirl wrote: I wonder if I'll even survive for that long?? That's pretty depressing. Well if they invent cloning before then, maybe I can create a clone of myself and have her complete the virtual reality in my stead.
Better to have your mental EEG recored so it can be downloaded to a robot body in the future. I mean who wants to be cloned and go thru the whole thing again? :lol: :lol:
You mean mind uploading right? Yes I remember seeing that process happen in a Simpsons Episode and in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers (Dialga used DNA to clone the player's body and uploaded the player's mind into that cloned body using future technology a few months after the player was destroyed from time abnormality). Mind uploading will most likely be possible in the future if religions don't attack that possibility. We could even use that to help assist us in creating intelligence in robots or in computers. However, I don't think I want to be mind uploaded. Mind uploading unfortunately doesn't remove the mood issues I have, and I would cause much more trouble than use for others.
Oh and bear in mind, unless you mind upload into the clone's body, the clone will not contain the exact intelligence that you do. In fact it will merely be just related to you.