Proof That The Human Soul Exists (FredTracy.com)
I just read this article by a very compelling blogger named Fred Tracy:
http://www.fredtracy.com/proof-that-the-human-soul-exists/
As he says in his article, this does not prove anything for YOU or ME, but for his own experience it's a pretty cool journey, wherever it leads him.
I'm also keen to learn more about astral projection. I don't know what it is, though I know it shares similarities with lucid dreaming, but I don't think the states of consciousness are identical by any means.
Interested to learn more....
Hmmm. I found the article a little hard to follow. It sounds to me like could have been having a very vivid dream. Or maybe something else! Cool, nonetheless.
I haven't read much about astral projection but it sounds simple enough to verify. I talked to a lucid dreamer online that went to his friend's house in his lucid dream. In his friend's house, he found a book about whales on her nightstand next to her bed. Later on they had lunch together (in normal awake reality) and he told her about the dream. Turns out she was not reading a book about whales, but there was a chapter or section in the book that used whales as some type of metaphor or short story, and she had just recently read that section.
So, that's either a confirmation, or an interesting coincidence. I mean, how many random books out there talk about whales? But anyway, stuff like this is how we can confirm these amazing experiences to ourselves, if one is interested in doing that.
i also found this hard to follow. but if you have seen insidious, do you get what he means by how it relates to that? i have seen commercials for it and refuse to see it at my will. so i need UPDATES! thanks~!
Theres no hard evidence fo sho, but like Laberge has shown pretty compelling evidence about lucid dreaming, yet that doesn't mean this arguement is invaild, as it cannot be disputed as well...
I could never understand how anyone would disbelieve in lucid dreaming. It's just the act of becoming conscious while within a dream. Many people have done this by accident. If anyone denies the existence of lucid dreaming, they ought to go ahead and deny the existence of dreams in general. :roll:
Amen, brother.
Jonathan wrote: I could never understand how anyone would disbelieve in lucid dreaming. It's just the act of becoming conscious while within a dream. Many people have done this by accident. If anyone denies the existence of lucid dreaming, they ought to go ahead and deny the existence of dreams in general. :roll:
The existence of lucid dreams was denied by mainstream science, if one want to call a soft social science like psychology a science at all for decades. It was all "a trick of the mind" just like OBE :shock:
Astral Projection is merely a belief-centric term. It is very likely that people out there are having WILDs (with the illusion of separating from the body) and believing them to be trips to the so-called astral plane.
I'm sorry guys but I don't buy into the idea of Astral Projection. Also, I've had such experiences where I visit people in their houses and there have been some pretty interesting confirmations. But, if one knows about the nature of coincidences, one realises they are nothing but exactly that. The universe is in fact one big coincidence!
In his first book, Voyages Into The Unknown, Bruce Moen describes many cases of astral projection where he met with another person for various activities and exploration in some sort of other space.
Bruce especially wanted to collect verifiable data during his excursions because he wanted to cease any doubt in his own mind about the validity of his experiences, so during this time he kept a detailed journal and, independently, so did the other person.
After most of these experiences he would contact the other person and they would compare notes. There are many, many examples where their detailed accounts of the activities, including names and physical descriptions of people and places are precisely the same.
There are several other examples where he discovers physical world information that is otherwise unknown to him.
If you read these accounts, I think most would find that except for only the most ardent skeptic, one would have a very hard time judging these experiences as coincidence.
I sympathise with those would would like 100% verifiable proof, but when dealing with this sort of thing you will never get a video of the event. And even if you did, it could have been faked. Corroborating stories and discovering unknowable facts is as good as it's going to get I think.
If person A points a gun at person B and pulls the trigger and a minute later person B is found dead with a gunshot wound. Perhaps A didn't do it. It is just a coincidence. After-all, can you prove that person A didn't miss, and perhaps some unknown person C actually did the deed? Improbable but possible. But how many of these improbable events need to stack up one after the other until the body of evidence is beyond way coincidence?
From there everyone needs to make their own judgement.
My point here is simply to let the forum readers know there are definitely a multitude of published AP accounts which for many people are way beyond coincidence.
The best way to find out if something is real is to experience it, there's simply no substitute. Otherwise it's all theory and how the heck are you going to "prove" this stuff? I wish I could take people to the places I've experienced in Lds, but you can't.
At first, I didn't really believe in lucid dreams and was skeptical that lucid dreams could be "real" (whatever the heck that means). I even told characters in dreams that I was 100% certain I was not dreaming even after they told me I was! I told them I wasn't and that I could certainly tell the difference.
You could tell someone in waking life about how real a lucid dream is until your blue in the face, but only when they experience it themselves will they really know what you're talking about.
lucidinthe sky wrote: The best way to find out if something is real is to experience it,,,.
Agreed.
Although I often lucid dream, the LD experience can be envisioned as within yourself and not outside yourself. ie: you may just consciously be interacting with your own brain and imagination (I don't agree with this belief but have a hard time convincing anyone this it isn't the case).
In order to get a better grasp of the non-physical reality I think it is necessary to have an experience the you can reasonably argue is 100% outside of your own body/brain/mind. This is why I'm trying to learn to go out of body. If I can experience this stuff and find evidence that it isn't just in my imagination then I'll be fully able to believe and therefore able to argue that I'm really operating outside of my own mind. At that point, I won't really care if I can "prove" it to anyone. I will have enough proof for myself. And once I can do this for myself, I will also have the skills necessary to further explore and learn on my own.
Fuzzy - have you been OBE yet or how close have you been to this?. There are a few good sites with some tips and if you want and if I can find them again I will send the links
Peter
Peter- I have no OBE experience but an determined to develop my skill. I think this is the key to learning about and exploring the non-physical spaces as it is more repeatable/predictable than LD.
I'm pretty close- a couple months ago while listening to a hemi sync MP3 I heard a very loud buzzing (which I thought was a problem with my headphones) and saw a very bright milky green color bar in my closed eyes vision field. It was remarkable. At the time I had no idea what was happening. Turns out it was the initial indicator that I was going out of body... So I missed a huge chance. : ( Haven't been able to repeat it.
I've got a ton of books on the subject and I'm planning to go to The Monroe Institute in 2012 to learn the ropes.Got several books that go into detail on "how-to". I gotta say, I'm having a bit of information overload on the topic. .
If you have any suggestions or a good link,,, sure post it and I'll take a look.
I will hold off on the links for a while - have to find them again. OBE can be an event that just happens at times, that is not Hypno images or buzzing or anything although at times all of this occurs. I had one where I was lying in bed and simply fell out of bed and could not work out how I fell out. It dawned on me that I was OBE at that time.
I had 3 instances of OBE one afternoon while relaxing and trying for a WILD and in that case I got the lights you talk about, buzzing or tingling feelings in my body and then was OBE. it was daylight and that seemed to make it hard to open my eyes and so each time I tried to do so I came back.
I wont give thoughts on what, where etc but will wait till you get your first few and then we can discuss if you wish
Peter
Peter wrote:
I wont give thoughts on what, where etc but will wait till you get your first few and then we can discuss if you wish
Peter
I look forward to experiencing and then discussing.