Planeswalker

Well it's high time I might as well confess the big one. I am not just an ordinary Lucid Dreamer. LCDAnthony called it when we were doing that where are we from thing Off Topic. While what I said, about being from the Multiverse was mainly joking around he was right. I am as he put it correctly a Planeswalker. I don't just have lucid dreams I literally travel to other worlds and planes of existence whenever I go to sleep.

You're just dreaming, man.

That's what I thought at first. However certain circumstances have caused me to believe otherwise. I seen places that my own subconscious alone could never come up with. I met people I really had an emotional connection with. You can never have that with an ordinary dream character. The lucid dreams, they are but mere distractions. Tools designed to prevent you from going beyond your own subconscious. Mostly for your own safety and sanity. Once that bridge is crossed there are new worlds to explore. Some of which are amazing, kinda like a paradise, but not one you made for yourself, but one someone else probably made, but left the door open for any passers by to have a look see. Others are just like the real world only certain things end up being the opposite of what your current life is like. But like many great things there is always a down side, worlds that make nightmares and hell itself just look like a jump scare. The only difference between that and the world of lucids is that it's not just sight and sound. But all the senses. Other than that it's kinda hard to describe what else.

Okay, I'm trying to understand... You're saying that, when you sleep, you have the ability to explore other worlds in the multiverse?

Interesting ... Can you tell me more? Try and explain in a concrete sort of way what you're talking about.

That's pretty much what I am saying. I don't just see and hear the places I go to. And it's a point beyond the classic "Total awareness." That Lucid's usually have. It's kinda like there is an incarnation of me already existing in that world and when I sleep I am replacing that me temporarily While that one is in sort of a suspended animation in my own sleeping body. I pretty much do normal things I would do in the real world, Talk to people, get a bite to eat etc. However I don't stay long. Going back has kind of it's random moments. There are times when I am literally forced back into this world. The sensation of it is the equivalent of falling and then when hitting the ground I wake up instantly. Other times I can stay for a long time and force myself to get out just by will alone. It's like. Ok here's an easier way to describe getting out.

Torchwood, whenever Jack Harkness gets killed and he comes back from the dead, the first thing he does is gasp for air and grab the nearest person. It's like that when it happens at random. But at will it's like simply waking out of a dream.

Sometimes I am caught in a state where I am literally in two places at once and I literally have to struggle to get to only one place.

Okay... But how do you know that you're opening a...temporal door to the multiverse, if you will... rather than just lucid dreaming?

My first lucid dream ever involved me exploring an entire different world with a whole set of culture and language. It was fascinating, exploring the detailed world that my mind created...but I know that it was just in my head and not literally a whole different world. That's crazy.

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Because if it was my own head it would have things about me rather than just me in a place full of complete strangers. From manifestations of my own emotional states, to people In my life that I know. In these worlds I do see the average familiar face, but very rarely, but I never see any manifestations that are connected to me. The people I run into most of the adventure I never seen before in my life let alone in this world. The places I go to as well are no place I ever seen or been before, from a major city I never seen pictures of to practically another civilized planet.

Then there are the unusual things that happen. In some worlds I get unique abilities. Kinda like superpowers. But there's a catch. In a dream world Lucid or no you could have any ability you want. But in planeswalking it's kinda like Superman and the different suns. Where ever I go I either have one or more unique abilities, be normal, or worse case scenario be weaker than a human being of this world.

For example one world I could fly. But another I couldn't.

Very interesting... Have you ever tried to strike up conversation with a person? Ask them about their life, or information about that world? For example, you could say, What is the name of the sun we are currently revolving around?

Or, even more interesting, try to commit a crime. I love committing crime in lucid dreams, there's a certain thrill to it, you know? But try to commit a crime in one of these 'worlds.' Preferably in one that seems more developed and civilized. What happens? Are you arrested and tried? Are you executed outright? Is there even a judicial branch? Or even a government? These things could help prove whether these places you visit are actual worlds or just dreams.

You'd be surprised. Your subconscious can give you worlds that you have never seen before, BECAUSE its your SUBconscious. You can't know what its thinking. So if YOU haven't seen a place before, that doesn't mean your subconscious hasn't, do you see?

That's pretty much all I do in these worlds. I talk to people, interact with the environment. Even to the point where an action I commit there be it minor or major would effect me when I wake up. Like for example I go to a restaurant there, eat a lot, but upon waking up I feel full. Even in those worlds I have committed felonies and served time for them. If I don't end up in a public place when I get their, Jail is usually where I end up. Strange thing though is depending on the worlds the prison system is different too. One time in those worlds, I found myself in a prison where the conjugal visits there instead of the stereotypical trailer, have themed places. Like in an airplane bathroom or a backseat of a car. Another time I was in a co-ed prison which is an impossible thing.

Another time I found myself in a more futuristic version of the modern era.

The people I talk to act like I always been there even if I am awake at the time. And act confused if I don't remember certain events I shared with them. Events I haven't even heard of. Which was how I figured out there was more than one me.

When I first started out I had to take a moment to find out what I could and couldn't do in these worlds. I couldn't bring items back from them which was a shame on two accounts, because 1 that would have been proof and two I would have gotten souvenirs during the trip. I could get hurt there even if it doesn't show in the this world, I could still feel the pain and the strains from it. And those abilities I mentioned earlier are limited to the world I am visiting.

Last but not least everything that tantalizes the senses is as real as they are in this world. A flower smells like a flower, cloth feels like cloth etc. I once grabbed someone on a whim to get their attention and In doing so I could feel every detail about the person I grabbed from their skin, to their bone structure, to the clothes they were wearing at the time. If that isn't real I don't know what is. For all I know this world and forum could be another one I am just visiting.

AceOfSpades wrote: = Even to the point where an action I commit there be it minor or major would effect me when I wake up. Like for example I go to a restaurant there, eat a lot, but upon waking up I feel full.

Okay. So, judging by this, you can effect your physical body. Here's how you can prove this.

Have someone sit by your bed and watch you sleep. When you go into one of these worlds, try and get to a knife.

Then, scratch a predetermined word into your forearm exactly where you and the watcher planned.

Have the person videotape the letters appearing on your arm as you cut.

I tried that once. woke up with a big scratch on my arm. Nothing scarring but it was bleeding, but there was no other ways I could do that to myself while sleeping. I am a nailbiter so scratching myself was not an option. My bed framing is rounded so no sharp edges and to make matters more strange in said world I was in at the time I was defending myself against a weird creature with claws. Said creature slashed my arm in the spot I found it on.

Okay. So get someone to record the scratch appearing on your arm and post it. If it was me who genuinely believed without a shadow of doubt that I was exploring other worlds, I would be doing everything in my power to prove it.

That's why I don't believe you. You act like this is a simple little trick you can do, rather than possibly the greatest breakthrough in quantum physics and our knowledge of the universe as we know it since... ever.

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I didn't expect you to believe me anyway to be honest. That's your opinion and I respect you for it. My main reason for even saying what I said was that I wanted to know if I was the only one that could do this.

I may sound like that this ability is nothing more than a simple little trick, but that's only because I try to simplify things in order to try to get people to understand what I am going through with this. It is really more complicated than I make it out to be. Hell some of the things that have happened to me I can't even explain fully. Hell the first time it happened to me was completely by accident. I couldn't fully explain how it happened, or what I must have done to do so.

Truth be told I am actually pretty scared of this. It's like lightning and it could strike at any moment. When it does I don't always go to amazing places.

Well its interesting, all the same haha.

Thank you. At least your not as skeptical as some people normally when someone asks for proof and doesn't get any they are determined to destroy the person that makes the claim.

Trust me, I really really really WANT to believe you. And maybe I do...I just need to consider it more.

Well there would be two ways of that to happen. One would be the obvious try to gather proof. The other would have to be if it happens to you one day.

I haven't even astral projected yet and I've been practicing lucid dreaming for 3 years. That's the main source of my skepticism. The fact that I cannot connect with stories involving astral projection because I'm waiting to actually experience astral projection for myself before making a proper conjecture.

deschainXIX wrote: I haven't even astral projected yet and I've been practicing lucid dreaming for 3 years. That's the main source of my skepticism. The fact that I cannot connect with stories involving astral projection because I'm waiting to actually experience astral projection for myself before making a proper conjecture.

I think that the fact you are in the habit of lucid dreaming would tamper with ones ability to AP. I say this as when one is going into a dream.. one allows ones mind to let go enough that the subconciousness starts creating things which appear as real. This then makes one unaware to their astral body and hence astral state.

eg when someone dreams as they have fallen asleep. There astral body leaves the physical body and will often be just hanging around their physical body but they arent aware of it (inside the person is like witnessing inside thier own mind), if an astral traveller checks in on that person they will see thir astral body laying about somewhere close to the physical body in a stupour/dazed hardly responsive state or asleep. This is all going on while that person is dreaming. If a clairvoyant looks at that person, some too will also see that others astral body but the clairvoyant may also see the persons thoughtforms as images (which are actually the persons dream) forming around the sleeping person

To keep awareness on ones astral body and what is astrally going on, one needs to NOT GO INTO DREAMING (subconciousness coming in) state (as then one looses awareness of the astral body).

"However certain circumstances have caused me to believe otherwise. I seen places that my own subconscious alone could never come up with."

Our subconciousnesses are capable of coming up with anything. Anything you can just dream, you can also LD as dreams come from the subconciousness. Dreams can be very wild (like drug trips), dont underestimate your subconsciousness.

"Sometimes I am caught in a state where I am literally in two places at once and I literally have to struggle to get to only one place."

That isnt uncommon with LD either. One can be in two places at once when one is just daydreaming too.

"Because if it was my own head it would have things about me rather than just me in a place full of complete strangers."

Wrong. Many of us have LDs in which there is no one we know, nothing in our normal world there etc. The mind gets quite creative.

"The places I go to as well are no place I ever seen or been before, from a major city I never seen pictures of to practically another civilized planet. "

Me too often but they are still LDs. I also get animals Ive never seen before in my LDs, really weird things.

"But there's a catch. In a dream world Lucid or no you could have any ability you want."

No not always true eg Im an experienced LD person but I cant fly in my LDs, I have a block there with that. Others may during a LD have trouble just manifesting something out of thin air etc etc. It all depends on what is going on within your subconsciousness at the time and how strong it is.

"Like for example I go to a restaurant there, eat a lot, but upon waking up I feel full'

Now that IS your imagination. If you did eat in a different plane, the food would carry the vibrational rate of that plane and hence wouldnt be in your physical body (unless you actually were vanishing out of our physical reality and eatting somewhere else, but Im sure your body is still in your bed still). Your mind is playing after tricks on you if you think your physical body is full due to it. Its like a placebo affect.

"Even in those worlds I have committed felonies and served time for them. If I don't end up in a public place when I get their, Jail is usually where I end up. "

This part of your story really confused me, if you truely believed you were swapping spots with yourself in another reality, there is no way one would do anything to get the other you into trouble due to the recognition its you too and just as real as you are. Unless one was some narcastic, one wouldnt go and get another who is "real" in such trouble that they end up in jail, if its a body swap like you were suggesting, that would mean the other would be left in jail once you were back in your own body. This act of yours tells me that you know that you arent really real in these realities you experience afterall.

If you are accidently ending up in jail a lot with these experiences without doing anything, it shows its your subconciousness creating this situation. (None of the shamans I used to know ever said they ended up in jail when doing this stuff).

All this being said. I do believe planewalkers are real as I have known some shamans and others who could send their minds elsewhere and into another (not while sleeping thou). I also have OBE experiences at times so throu that have experienced other places (but not very commonly, just a few times as usually Im in earth plane). Ive also had a couple of body swap experiences (im probably what is called a walkin eg I found myself in the body Im in after coming throu a vortex in which I'd become lost which wiped my memory, my experience is talked about at these forums somewhere). Anyway, its my few body swap experiences (both the others were aware of me and not asleep, I personally believe we may be protected in some way while sleeping) which has made me not believe what you said and what made me say you just wouldnt go getting your otherself in trouble in you thought they were real.

LDs can feel very real too (they can feel so real that some believe they are real, they are on the mind level). I have ALL my senses in my LDs. Due to things Ive seen in LD realities which dont currently exist here, Im currently been thinking about putting some patents on these "inventions" (things Ive seen) and marketing them as they would sell very well (as nothing like them currently). My boyfriend is thinking about going into business with me doing that. Anyway, Im sharing that with you to show one does get things currently here, in ones dreams.