I dream shared with my sister as a child

My sister is 2 years younger than me and we were always very close- like twins almost. One night I dreamt me and my sister had watched a ballet performance and decided to leave early so walked out of a door and towards some spiral stairs. Then when I looked behind me she was gone but she was at the bottom of the stairs and I was at the top. I fell down the stairs and died and everything went black but I could hear my sister screaming saying why did I go up there. Then I woke up and in the morning my mum told me to be extra nice to my sister as she had had a nightmare last night. When I asked her what it was about she said that we had been playing football and I ran away and she followed and I had got into this room with only huge spiral stairs and I was right at the top and she told me to come down and I fell down all of the stairs and died. She said she was screaming at me.

This was 5 years ago at least now but what do you think of this- was it dream sharing, was the sister who visited the ballet with me a normal dc but the one at the bottom of the stairs the real her? This has creeped me out for a number of years and I obviously can't be sure if this was a coincidence...

There is no such thing as Dream Sharing, I am sorry to say that. See in Multimedia, we did an experiment, and we found as designers when we attempted to do a project that had the exact same description, we could make them match the same description alright, however, not one of our designs ever looked exactly the same. And for the past century, it has always been that way. As dreaming and Lucid Dreaming is in fact a form of design/art/idea your head is creating, it would therefore be impossible for 2 dreamers to have the exact same dream, as 2 designs can never match. It is like 2 different forms of handwriting can never match.
This does not mean that probability can't in fact exist in both Multimedia and Lucid Dreaming. There have been designers even in multimedia on rare occasion that have come up with matching words and even a couple of times matching quotes. So I don't doubt that there is in fact probability at work in cases. If your ideas were similar without thinking about it, then there had to have been some probability at work for that to happen. In rare cases, 2 designers can actually think of the same idea, though there is a low probability of that happening, however it is in fact possible. However, the same ideas will never end up becoming the same designs as that is impossible. Bear in mind matching descriptions are meaningless, as Multimedia Design has proved this numerous times.

And your sister was in fact a normal DC. And you were a normal DC to her, like I was implying to you earlier. The fact there was a similar idea of you being at the top of the spiral stairs was in fact an unexpected idea both of you had at once, and like I said, because both of you managed to come up with it at the same time, that would make both your dreams in fact "Probability Dreams". A "Probability Dream" in my definition is something unexpected that happens in a dream that can literally happen on a chance, and since literally you 2 came up with the same idea, they were Probability Dreams. Like I said there is no such thing as Dream Sharing, however, there is a such thing as "Probability Dreams" and lightning can hit in 2 places at once. As a matter of fact, I've had probability Lucid Dreams with my Lucid Dream friends before (they had them as well). Actually at first before we even started Lucid Dreaming about each other, we were describing the same type of Lucid Dream we were all having, that we were cloning ourselves at the start, we were flying around dressed in white robes and had glowing sashes, we started off wherever we triggered the Lucid Dream, and that we were flying around our hometown doing various activities. Then we started teaming up with our DCs and had a party with them, even going to places like Disneyland (when it was all shutdown), and we had a blast. And just because our Lucid Dreams were very similar in description didn't mean we were Dream Sharing.

Thank you for this, I never really believed in dream sharing but thought this one experience was just too wierd however I understand what you'r saying so this probably was just a coincidence. :D

Not here to start a conflict, but nobody can truly 100% say that dream sharing is not real.

Me, Hagart, and Vonozar did a short research study on dream sharing earlier this year, where we would do synchronized WBTB and go back to sleep at the same time with our minds set to meet each other at a specified dream scene.

Although we had weak results, I do believe that our brains are capable of a lot more than we realize. Dream sharing may not be real, but it is a commonly reported phenomenon. Who knows though, it could just be random chance and math.

I think if I was in the situation you were in with this, I'd think I probably picked up my sisters dream when she was telling my mother. Your subconciousness is VERY AWARE when you are asleep and sounds when asleep can be amplified, obviously your sister had told your mother and you may of overheard in your sleep and hence created this scene being talked about (of cause that is only if your sister did share these details with your mother).

Thou Im saying this I do believe in dream sharing as I once had a shared dream with my daughter (at exactly the same moment).

That is feasible Taniaaust. We certainly do take in aspects from real world into our dreams. For example, I live semi close to that recent California earthquake epicenter, and while I am stubborn and don't wake up easily to anything, I did have a dream about hearing about a huge California earthquake on TV.

No, you didn't have a shared dream with your sister.

Guys, you are being ridiculous. :lol:

There is no scientific mechanism to support the concept of dream sharing.

Sorry to break it to you, but this is the truth, whether you want it to be or not.

LucidityMaster wrote: No, you didn't have a shared dream with your sister.

Guys, you are being ridiculous. :lol:

There is no scientific mechanism to support the concept of dream sharing.

Sorry to break it to you, but this is the truth, whether you want it to be or not.

Not everything which is scientifically true has been proven yet!

taniaaust1 wrote:

LucidityMaster wrote:No, you didn't have a shared dream with your sister.

Guys, you are being ridiculous. :lol:

There is no scientific mechanism to support the concept of dream sharing.

Sorry to break it to you, but this is the truth, whether you want it to be or not.

Not everything which is scientifically true has been proven yet!

I know you have blocked me so you won't hear what I am saying to counter you, but whatever.

Actually it has been proven that Dream Sharing doesn't exist. Because in Multimedia, when they assigned 2 designers the same project, they did their own form of the project. While when you looked at the 2 pieces, they exactly matched the description, the 2 forms of design visually couldn't have been more different from each other. Never in the history of design have 2 different art forms done by designers matched perfectly, there is always something different about them, if you look at them from a designer's eye. That is because everyone's form of visual design is just as unique as a person's handwriting. Lucid Dreaming/dreaming is in fact a form of visual design done in a person's head, and according to the Multimedia Designers, is exactly like a virtual reality programmed by the designer themselves. As such, no 2 visual designs could ever possibly match, because each visual design is done in a unique way by each person, just like their handwriting. Now if you ever find 2 designs done at different times that match 100% and prove me wrong, then I might start to believe you, but that has never happened, and I expect it will never happen. While Idea Collision Probability can possibly happen in both situations (where 2 designers come up with the same idea, words, quotes, or paragraphs), identical visual design or exact Dream Sharing is impossible.

Actually it has been proven that Dream Sharing doesn't exist. Because in Multimedia, when they assigned 2 designers the same project, they did their own form of the project. While when you looked at the 2 pieces, they exactly matched the description, the 2 forms of design visually couldn't have been more different from each other. Never in the history of design have 2 different art forms done by designers matched perfectly, there is always something different about them, if you look at them from a designer's eye. That is because everyone's form of visual design is just as unique as a person's handwriting.

I generally believe in dream sharing, but I don't believe that both dream perspectives are going to be exactly alike because we aren't looking at the dream in the same way. Just like in real life you're never going to have two people recount an event exactly the same way, or even be able to draw a place they saw the same way since they are focusing on different areas. Now there's also the fact that you are both very high on dreams and are hallucinating the entire experience, never really noticed people recounting the exact same experience as someone else when hallucinating even though they might be in the same room.

Actually it has been proven that Dream Sharing doesn't exist. Because in Multimedia, when they assigned 2 designers the same project, they did their own form of the project. While when you looked at the 2 pieces, they exactly matched the description, the 2 forms of design visually couldn't have been more different from each other. Never in the history of design have 2 different art forms done by designers matched perfectly, there is always something different about them, if you look at them from a designer's eye. That is because everyone's form of visual design is just as unique as a person's handwriting.

You seem to have a completely different concept of dream sharing then most people do. Those who dream share will share the dream but will share it from their different perspective views, when someone says the they shared the same dream, it doesnt mean they did so from the same body in that dream. They each are seeing out of different dream eyes or dream bodies. So I dont see how your example disproves the possibility.

So say like in the dream I dream shared with my daughter. I didnt experience getting my head bashed by 3 people, she experienced that and I saw this happening to her from my perspective. We both experienced the same setting too for this scene.. outdoors, grass etc etc In her point of view, she yelled for help. In my point of experience, I heard her yell for help.

Anyway, dream sharing doesnt usually mean experiencing being the same person in the dream and seeing the same things from the same angles etc etc (thou I guess that could well maybe be possible).

taniaaust1 wrote:

Actually it has been proven that Dream Sharing doesn't exist. Because in Multimedia, when they assigned 2 designers the same project, they did their own form of the project. While when you looked at the 2 pieces, they exactly matched the description, the 2 forms of design visually couldn't have been more different from each other. Never in the history of design have 2 different art forms done by designers matched perfectly, there is always something different about them, if you look at them from a designer's eye. That is because everyone's form of visual design is just as unique as a person's handwriting.

You seem to have a completely different concept of dream sharing then most people do. Those who dream share will share the dream but will share it from their different perspective views, when someone says the they shared the same dream, it doesnt mean they did so from the same body in that dream. They each are seeing out of different dream eyes or dream bodies. So I dont see how your example disproves the possibility.

So say like in the dream I dream shared with my daughter. I didnt experience getting my head bashed by 3 people, she experienced that and I saw this happening to her from my perspective. We both experienced the same setting too for this scene.. outdoors, grass etc etc In her point of view, she yelled for help. In my point of experience, I heard her yell for help.

Anyway, dream sharing doesnt usually mean experiencing being the same person in the dream and seeing the same things from the same angles etc etc (thou I guess that could well maybe be possible).

Dream Sharing means that the exact same design and landscaping would have to be involved. Obviously that is impossible, because remember the story of the 2 designers? They designed their projects, and their description was the same (even their description of their designs was the same), however both of their designs visually were entirely different If science could record the brains of 2 people having similar dreams, it would prove my theory was correct There is a such thing as Dream Idea Collision Probability however, which you seemed to experience. If 2 or more users come up with the exact same idea, words, or even paragraphs, then that I would consider to be a form of probability, or math. This is a form of Lucid Dream Probability Actually I've experienced Lucid Dream Probability before, Dream Idea Collision was just one of those forms I experienced with my Lucid Dream friends. (Although those ones where we programmed our DCs to be with each other around the same time don't necessarily count). I could go through a list of times I experienced that, but I won't.

PKJacker wrote: Just like in real life you're never going to have two people recount an event exactly the same way, or even be able to draw a place they saw the same way since they are focusing on different areas.

I agree with this analogy. Even though we occupied the same space, we both have different accounts and dream sharing shouldn't be taken so literally as if it's a virtual world. Our subconscious interpretation will always be askew from one another. Perhaps we just need to redefine "dream sharing".

Then again, I am also well aware that we often take ideas to fit our pre-conceived model of reality and that is not what is real either.

I'm on the fence. I'm agnostic. I'm open minded. Or maybe I'm just a fool..... I don't know. I'm on the fence about that too! :D

As an atheist, i don't think there is a reason to be 'on the fence' about God or dream sharing.

We have plenty of scientific evidence that shows that the existence of God and dream sharing is highly unlikely.

Why be on the fence about a matter that is so ridiculous?

I will give Carl Sagan's quote 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence'.

I consider myself to be an open-minded person as well, but not so open minded that my brain falls out!

EDIT: I was up late last night and being silly with my visual analogy. It was weird. What I meant is, there is no need to bring God into this, and let's see if my ideas "hatch" or are "duds". I also thought I was replying in a different thread ("Need validation I'm not crazy"), OOPS!

Original Message: I like you, LucidityMaster, but I must protect my claim like a mother goose protecting her eggs. I will peck at any claim of God into my reasoning. Peck! Peck!, be gone with God. I want people to sit on this and make it hatch... or kill my babies....

LOL! I love visual analogies!

(When I say LOL, I literally, this time laughed out loud at that image. No joke!)

So Hagart, even though I disagree with you a lot, are we still friends?

Yes. I have different opinions from my brothers, but never stop loving them.

I'm not quire sure if dream sharing/dream telepathy is real, but I"m not going to say it isn't. I'm open minded to believe that it is real. Either way, once I'm good with lucid dreaming, I will probably try to prove it for myself.