Tribute to nesgirl
Today I wanted to honour nesgirl's membership in the forum. A member that didn't passed unnoticed around here. So, I made this thread to remind you that a part of the forum is missing and also give you the chance to say goodbye ..or ask her to come back.
She certainly had interesting posts and some worthwhile LD posts. Hope you return and you are missed.
I must admit,
Not a day goes by without at least thinking of nesgirl and what she's up to these days. I hope I made the same impression on everyone here.
I haven't been active, mostly because I'm missing someone to rant with, but one of these days, I'll be gone too, and we all know, just as much as I know, anyone who poured their heart out here on this forum will influence me and be a part of me, just like I hope I was, and still am, with all of you.
Whatever... :mrgreen:
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What happened to her? did she get banned???? If she was banned Im sure it would of been with good reason as it isn't like bans are common here at all. She was in an unfortunate situation, not always knowing when she was going too far. wondering if she got banned for her attitude towards those who mentioned relationships at all or sex, she did attack more then one person who was fairly new here quite badly over how she felt about "love" or sex
Im not voting as I trust the mods judgement here to do what's best for this website. ...
I didn't mind her though I did have her on block for quite a while as we clashed. Well didn't mind her once I adjusted to her :lol: . She certainly had a strong presence.
taniaaust1 wrote: What happened to her? did she get banned???? If she was banned Im sure it would of been with good reason as it isn't like bans are common here at all. She was in an unfortunate situation, not always knowing when she was going too far. wondering if she got banned for her attitude towards those who mentioned relationships at all or sex, she did attack more then one person who was fairly new here quite badly over how she felt about "love" or sex
Im not voting as I trust the mods judgement here to do what's best for this website. ...
I didn't mind her though I did have her on block for quite a while as we clashed. Well didn't mind her once I adjusted to her :lol: . She certainly had a strong presence.
No, she is not banned. That's why I ask you to vote.
If the mods kept her they made the right decision. Allow me to explain... :mrgreen:
What irked me the most about nesgirl was her bigotry and libellous remarks about a few of our fellow members (me included). I might have intentionally provoked her but it was only to expose her true colours. My advice to her would be to keep her mouth shut if she doesn't have a good argument, but, of course, she can do what she wants even if that includes the continuation of her ignominious conduct on this forum.
I'm all for freedom of expression. Let HER -- with her bad philosophy and prejudices -- have a voice so that WE can constructively criticise her. This constructive criticism, of course, is not for her benefit (this bigot won't allow it to be), but rather, for those members who are interested in having a disquisition that will foreground controversial issues and explain why some ideas are wrong and pernicious.
I think keeping her can give rise to a renewed pedagogical experience (provided that she comes out of her foxhole and decides to re-engage), but then again, I couldn't care less about what she does so "whatever" indeed. There are plenty of interesting individuals on this forum with ostensibly more to offer. Unlike nesgirl, such candidates for a great discourse are sane, rational, and less egoistic. 8-)
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Nesgirl banned herself, took a hiatus, and is in a self-imposed exile right now. Don't worry, Tani. There were no strong measures taken, and she never did anything wrong. Freedom of speech is upheld here, and freedom to question is equally a virtue. She sure wants us all to feel sorry for her and give her a funeral as if she committed forum suicide, so... well...., I don't want to disappoint. I'll give a tribute.
There wasn't this option, but my vote would be: "No, but I really like her".
No, she shouldn't come back here. For her own well being, she needs to stay away from conflicts. I bet they follow her wherever she goes, taking them with her like a traveling carpet bag, so there's nobody to blame here, but herself for bringing it, and longing for it. She needs to pick her company wisely. She certainly had an abrasive relationship with Summerlander, and DeschainXIX, especially, but it's only because they had a difference of opinion, and she chose to vilify them and blame them for her entire dystopian view. Nothing more. I never saw any serious verbal assault at all. In fact, I had to quell some of what Nesgirl was saying against them, because it was exaggerated, on the verge of being slanderous, and I also stuck up for her as well. It was tough babysitting them all, and I did threaten to spank Summerlander once. :lol: I think nesgirl needs a good spanking too, but we all know why that joke doesn't work.
I stick up for the truth. And the truth is, Nesgirl is not a bad person. I see through it all and we're all just bickering children, playing, and talking, and gossiping on this forum like a recess from our daily lives.
I like people that speak their mind, whatever it is, and express themselves. She was far more interesting than most who come here and only write 1-10 posts. She has left am indelible mark on my mind with her tenacity to her ideals, questionable as they are, and spirit to strive for an ideal world with a passion and sincerity unrivaled by anyone else I ever met here... except Summerlander. I like his gusto for this forum too.
Erichsa was wise to single you two out, and that "Summerlander and Nesgirl" thread was good fun while it lasted.
(I could go on, and it took me many tries to get this far, but whatever was said, was said, and I meant it)
There wasn't this option, but my vote would be: "No, but I really like her".
That's how I felt about it too so I didn't vote.
I was concerned over what I saw as like an attack done on at least one new person here when the person said nothing wrong.
I bet they follow her wherever she goes, taking them with her like a traveling carpet bag, so there's nobody to blame here, but herself for bringing it, and longing for it.
I doubt very much that she longs for the problems she has with others. It probably upsets her that she finds it so hard to get along with others and fit into a forum situation.
LMAO! Well said, Hagart! :-D
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Hagart was as perceptive as ever in analyzing nesgirl. In the end, the one who affirms sexual asceticism always has a subconscious masochism. Nesgirl fantasized about vilifying others as well as herself, and she finally got it. I mean... just look at her last couple posts; she's literally shrill with euphoria at being hated and outcast.
As I've always maintained, I don't care what she does, but if she comes back, don't expect me to be any gentler with her; I have freedom of speech too.
In tribute, I would say she was a resilient combatant of reason, who had the courage to say what she thought (however idiotic it was)--and that's more than most can say.
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Also well said! :-P
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I don't know why I did not notice any attack to new members from her. Can you be more specific?
Well, she was sexist, anti-sexual, anti-romantic, masogamistic, a liar and a bigot. She considered us to be inferior because of our sexual urges, too. That's almost all she ever talked about apart from recommending videos where married couples are tortured and killed for the choices they make. Animals could do no wrong. (Check her latest posts.) :-D
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I'm getting a sore neck just looking at your avatar picture Desert Explorer!
Summerlander wrote: LMAO! Well said, Hagart!
Summerlander wrote: Also well said!
All your well-saids were well said.
I had trouble with nesgirl, trying to get through and socialize. She wouldn't know a true friend if they slapped her in the face. (Weird expression), But seriously I want to grab her by the collar and yell straight in her face, "Wake up! I'm you're friend, God Dammit It!" :lol: I never had anybody rebuff me so much, but I know it's not just me, so it wasn't my fault.
I have already forgot details.
She was not banned but may have thought she was and so its self imposed
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I just realized that nesgirl was back on this forum for the past few days actually, hard at work, deleting every single post she ever wrote. That's a shame.
Whatever. I don't really consider much of what she wrote to be particularly profound or interesting. Quality over quantity. There was, however, probably some interesting things buried in amongst the tautologous heaps of complaint and angst; I know she was a great oneironaut.
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It was weird that though she was a lucid dreamer and very successful one, she was almost never calm in her posts. There would be always something hunting her.
Didn't she have some kind of disorder? I am quickly forgetting her... :mrgreen:
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Have a good life Nesgirl and TY for enriching ours with your experience and ideas for a while.
Yeah, thank you for stimulating me in the way that you did. :mrgreen:
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Can't you hold your eagerness for sarcasm until it passes away at least one time? I have tried it, it works and you do a great favour to yourself as well.
Ok. I'll try. 8-)
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I think Summerlander has a disorder too. Go easy on him. He's afflicted with Douchebagitis, also known as Asshole Syndrome (AS), for which there is no known cure.
Much like nesgirl's bipolar disorder, which leads to anti-social behavior, it wasn't something he chose, but was due to the genes he was born with. This condition often leaves the majority of society puzzled with such questions as, "Why would he/she say that?", or statements like, "Oh, no, he/she didn't!" For the rest of us, it's very hard to understand why someone with a disorder behaves the way they do.
I tried many times to connect with nesgirl via Personal Messages to gain a better understanding of who she was, and knew her better than anyone else here. I have no shame in that. It helped me grow more compassion and see the larger picture of a person, instead of being distant words on a screen with no life behind it. A life with hopes and dreams, who laughs and cries, just like the rest of us. Not everybody has to win a battle of wits while they pleasure themselves before a 10 foot portrait of Christopher Hitchens, watching their severely depressed victim flee in tears, threatening suicide, as he watches on, continuing to stroke his... ego, uncaring whether she lives or dies.
I'd been suspicious that that was a genuine air of solemnity and gravitas. Why are we taking this so seriously? I didn't even think Summerlander was being sarcastic.
"And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity—through him all things fall." Thus Spake Zarathustra
It's precisely the thing that leads very disturbed people like nesgirl to hate the world. They take everything seriously! They see not absurdity but malice and fallow! Sometimes failing to acknowledge a person's insistence upon melancholy and nihilism is what is necessary.... Not that I would claim to have ever said anything "therapeutic" to nesgirl, of course.
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Yes. Taking everything so seriously sucks. One benefit of stop doing that is that you can enjoy black comedy. :P
OK, Hagart. Summerlander's post made me chuckle but after reading yours, I couldn't breath. :D
Well, guys, shortly after tactlessly posting I didn't feel like there is a deeper mystery to my demeanour other than ego. But after seeing the way all three of you responded, a compulsion to introspect flared up in my mind. Why did I post that? What was I really hoping to achieve? Was I trying to lighten the mood here by attempting to be sarcastically funny? Perhaps. I'm still exploring. The end result I imagined (don't ask, it's private) doesn't match actuality. (I just realised I had an expectation, a dream...)
It's interesting to see how dissimilar the reactions were from all of you. DesertExplorer probably thought, "Oh go away, Summerlander..." or something along those lines (his claim to have chuckled seems a little oxymoronic now) -- however, I don't believe he believes I said what I said with malice. In case he does, I'll put him at ease: I didn't. Perhaps I was a little insensitive, though. I hope Nesgirl doesn't give up on life and discovers happiness. It does exist. ;-)
Like Hagart, I can see that I'm an arsehole sometimes, too. And even though I know there is no free will (love you, Benedict Spinoza; love you, Bertrand Russell; love you Sam Harris) :-P , there is still a will in me to help with my stupidity. So, I will try to think less about orgies with the Four Horsemen of Atheism (that Sam Harris is like a sexy Ben Stiller) and more about Nesgirl. Honest, Hagart, your compassion is touching. I promise. :mrgreen:
Still introspecting as I think of Nesgirl as a victim leaving in tears. (But I am really Jesus Christ who was vilified and crucified by a slippery snake. :mrgreen: ) I am definitely NOT a sociopath... or, if Benjamin Phillips was right about me, I'm not aware of it. :-D
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First, of course I knew it was a joke. I can assure you that what you managed to achieve by posting this is making at least a person laugh.
Second, you nailed it in the end with the orgies and Jesus Christ!
Third, sign out of Summer's account, Hagart!! I know it's you.. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipFMJckZOM
Oh, we're doing that, now? If I had to share a song, what would it be? Hmm..
My song's a bit melodramatic, but exaggeration helps prove a point. I was harsh with Summerlander too for the same reason. It helped get a message across, and I think it worked.
I love the song, guys, and Van Gogh is my favourite. Not even Dali (surprisingly enough for a lucid dreamer). You made me cry, Hagart.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4BrZjY_Sg
I always considered that song, my anthem, Desert. If there's ever a tribute to HAGART, let that one play. 8-)
(I don't have a way with words, and will die before I know how to properly use a comma, but sometimes a drunken rant is the best I can do.... so enjoy. I usually delete these after writing, but I'll keep this one. I will speak my mind in honor of someone. That person has a special day in my heart. May 25. Although past midnight, I've been thinking about them all day.)
I feel I should clarify something with Summerlander. When you said this (1st quote below), I didn't bat an eyelash. You spoke the truth, as hard as it may be to accept, nesgirl should look in the mirror and realize how she portrays herself to others. Sometimes people need a wake up call (as I did with you):
Summerlander wrote: Well, she was sexist, anti-sexual, anti-romantic, masogamistic, a liar and a bigot. She considered us to be inferior because of our sexual urges, too. That's almost all she ever talked about apart from recommending videos where married couples are tortured and killed for the choices they make. Animals could do no wrong. (Check her latest posts.)
I wouldn't go as far as calling her a liar though. I happen to know she has poor reading comprehension skills and gets things mixed up, so I forgive any misunderstandings or confusion on her part.
THIS IS WHAT TICKED ME OFF:
Summerlander wrote: Didn't she have some kind of disorder? I am quickly forgetting her... :mrgreen:
You read a lot of books, but I guess not the forum, and you certainly don't read people. Either that or you were being a deliberate "arse", afflicted with (AS).
Summerlander wrote: Yeah, thank you for stimulating me in the way that you did. :mrgreen:
With the green smilie on both comments, and due to context, I understood them to be complete sarcasm. I know your personality, remember? You don't like people that you don't find intriguing. She wasn't mentally stimulating to you and don't claim that she was.
It seemed to me, that you went out of your way to be a jerk for no reason, with no gain to yourself, but to further her suffering, whenever she reads this, as if you get pleasure from it.
I will not defend her beliefs, but I will defend her as a person who's perhaps a lucid dreaming savant, that we never truly got to know, like Vincent. We did not listen; We did not know how. Yes, there was some Nesgirlese we had to decipher, a term coined by Snaggle, but we did not hate. And yes, there were many You Yube links she tried to express herself with the only way she knew how which left many of us scratching our heads sometimes, I must admit.
I miss my little Spongegirl-Poke-Pants. But this is a forum for everybody, and I know many others won't feel that way. Not only that, but for her own well being, I advise her to stay away from here. I don't know if any forum is right, which all draw constant questioning, self-evaluation, and a need to be eloquent to stand up for your beliefs. That was something she lacked, but hey, she's only human, with a few communication setbacks, and don't we all have them? I feel a blog format is more her style.
Why am I taking this so seriously? I had a moment to reflect. I don't have a social life. I have no job. I have no friends. I'm an 'adult' that lives in their mother's basement, but I'm quite the Donnie Darko. This is my only social circle. I think, in our minds, we have a need to have a social group and if it's not filled by the outside world it get's replaced by people online, or anyone we meet. It happened to be you sorry lot, and that's why I know so much about you people. You are my friends. I tried to tell Nesgirl, time and time again. I consider anyone here my friend. Taniaaust1, Snaggle, Desert Explorer, DeschainXIX, Peter, nesgirl, and yes, of course you too, Summerlander. (And many others, but I only mentioned the names of those in this thread).
I'm usually the funny guy around here, but I wont end this with a joke the way I almost always do. Perhaps another sad song is in order. This is how nesgirl sees the world in my opinion, and the fact I relate to it as well is quite telling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvPkLG-tvzM
I think there is definitely a time to be serious and after the little joke we had your timing is perfect, Hagart. I earnestly take on board your feelings on what ticked you off -- please don't think I don't. You cast a differently light on the insensitive comments I made, a perspective I hadn't considered which exposes my attitude regarding nesgirl as being devoid of compassion. In hindsight, I'm looking pretty bad and I should try to avoid being so judgemental.
You have made me more aware -- or reminded me -- of the fact that nesgirl wasn't given the best hand in life. And instead of tactfully encouraging her to improve as a person and suggesting life hacks whereby she can work around her pathology, I seem to have completely dismissed it in an inculpatory and objurgatory manner -- quick to condemn and not very evaluative. My harsh approach might steer certain individuals in the right direction (usually those who are not so afflicted by ego and open to the wisdom of others) but nesgirl is certainly not one of them. Nesgirl has subjective problems which drive her to inflate her ego and here's me pipping her with callous illative 'missiles' as she hides behind her bulwark of conceit. I admit, it doesn't do any favours to make amicable contact (I guess my primary objective here isn't making friends) and will only persuade nesgirl to put her defences up. I guess I wasn't as patient as I could have been, but, then again, can you blame me when any advice from me would have been construed as coming from an inferior being who is intrinsically flawed and repulsive my nature? She didn't make our interaction with her any easier and we'd have to devise a mental trojan horse in order to convince her that she is not living in a Kafkaesque world (or doesn't have to immanently).
I hope she is reading this and takes what I'm saying into consideration. I confess, at times I let my emotions get the better of me and this resulted in some vindictive posts, on my part, carefully contrived to ensnare her into pratfalls. You reading this, Nes? I did this. I am not a perfect human being. There is no such thing. I can generate this type of negativity because I am flawed. But this doesn't mean that nothing good can come from me or that everything I say should be rejected. (I apologise, Hagart, if I am confusing you here but this last part is addressed to nesgirl -- but you are pertinent here because what you said made me introspect and now I feel like I should somehow make amends or atone for my misdoings.)
By the way, Hagart, you have a rich social life here, at least, and being a bit of a solitudinarian Donnie Darko doesn't make you less of a person. I find you more approachable than nesgirl and this is only the truth (neither negative nor positive, just neutral). You could be a genius waiting to be discovered. ;-)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xrNaTO1bI
You're my personal Jesus, Hagart. 8-)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6aKnRnBxM
Angry cat doesn't like us getting all sentimental and is trying to break it up with music videos. :lol:
I still have a way to contact nesgirl, so I'll remind her to read this. It's very important that she doesn't vilify you anymore Summerlander, (and DeschainXIX) as she does with many others. She chooses people to be her nemesis and places all the world's problems that she sees into them like an effigy that she burns in her dreams. First, it was Taniaust1, and it was even me one time, but I didn't let it happen and smoothed things over with PMs. Now that I think about it, if it's not you, it will be someone else. Maybe she needs someone to be her enemy, always.
I'm just an armchair psychiatrist.
You're a smart person Summerlander, and are always willing to change in the light of new evidence. I must have a higher emotional intelligence, or something, and brought forth a new perspective that illuminated you.
You're a frontier psychiatrist, Hagart.
^^^ (Inside joke, above, that nobody else will get) ;)
Alright! Let's lighten the mood with the best song ever, so everyone knows why you said that. :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpqm-05R2Jk
I love that song by them so much as well.
Back to seriousness again.
The song, "Jeremy", by Pearl Jam says a heck of a lot about how I feel about nesgirl.
Here it is with the lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-AV2Lu_1wM
(It takes about 10 seconds before the song actually starts.)
But think about it! Just change "He" to "She" and it's not, King Jeremy, it's Queen Nesgirl.
I may comeback to edit this later and write more, but right off the top of my head, she was certainly into multimedia (drawing pictures), and ruled her world, (Black Triangle Island), and is quite wicked when it comes to torturing her SIMS in that game. But she hasn't "Spoke in Class" yet, and we don't have to "Erase her off the blackboard".... if you know what those mean. ;)
HAGART wrote: (It takes about 10 seconds before the song actually starts.)
Guess why.. :D
I don't know.
This is starting to turn into a nonsense thread, but hey, all threads with, or about nesgirl, turned into that and were great fun!
Forget all the drama and bickering about stupid ideas for once. Off-Topic is designed to be our playground. Yes, sometimes there are bullies and altercations, but we're all just kids playing.... Kids in the Hall. ;)
That's how we grow up strong.
I take it back. Do you know what the one similarity that every nonsensical thread ever had? My presence. 8-)
You certainly had some effect on me, Hagart. Either you are a master or you fluked it. :)
I'm prepared to meet nesgirl halfway if she returns. But I just wish she stopped making assumptions about me and other members here. I have nothing against asexuals or any other orientation. I always respect animals and I don't want them to suffer as my theory of mind also includes them as conscious, sentient beings (albeit to a different degree as evidence suggests). :geek:
I know there will be things that me and her will disagree on but she doesn't need to take it personally. We should all just chill and simply acknowledge that we've all had different experiences in life. 8-)
My guess is because of copyright. For some reason You Tube inspects copyright stealing automatically for the first 10 seconds or so of the video.
Summerlander wrote: You certainly had some effect on me, Hagart. Either you are a master or you fluked it. :)
I'm prepared to meet nesgirl halfway if she returns. But I just wish she stopped making assumptions about me and other members here. I have nothing against asexuals or any other orientation. I always respect animals and I don't want them to suffer as my theory of mind also includes them as conscious, sentient beings (albeit to a different degree as evidence suggests). :geek:
I know there will be things that me and her will disagree on but she doesn't need to take it personally. We should all just chill and simply acknowledge that we've all had different experiences in life. 8-)
OK, you are freaking me out right now.
No, Summerlander, it's no fluke. I thought I was very apparent when I spoke in the personality thread that I'm a classic INFP. Not only that, I'm an ambivert. I can picture everyone's perspective, and fit into anyone's shoes and try them on for a while, (or at least try).
Why do I feel a need to help someone I can't even see? Richard Dawkins asks that same question.
Maybe I'm insane!
I get no immediate benefit, no physical reward with extra food for a chimp, or money for a 'domesticated human', but it does something in my mind. It's a reward all it's own, and makes me feel good. I do it because it feels 'right'. (Or maybe it's just dopamine controlling this robot mind with Scooby Snacks)
No doubt it's just hogwash, a byproduct of evolution, but some of us Homo Sapiens have this thing we call, "Feelings".
I'm just ripping on you again. You're alright, my friend! :D
HAGART wrote: Maybe I'm insane!
It's the opinion of the entire staff that Hagart is criminally insane-sane-sane..
That's an old joke from another page ago, and quite an inside one too. But hey, this is angry cat's thread, who appears to be in jail, and has the scariest mugshot, so who are we to argue with that that face?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493jG4FkAoI
Ha!! This looks very weird. My avatar.. the song.. :D
I spoke with nesgirl.
The reason my she deleted as many posts as she could was because she feared Summerlander and DeschainXIX would use them as evidence to warn new users about her, and then find her on the internet and warn all other potential forums about her.
You may think that sounds extreme... well, it is. She has Persecutory Paranoia. It's a real disorder you can look up. She felt bullied, and has created some persecutory delusions. I'm just an armchair psychiatrist and read a little bit on the internet which by no means makes me an expert. (And no, delusion doesn't mean you're crazy, it just means it's only from your point of view nesgirl, and exaggerate it.) Those two aren't going to do any of that, I'm sure. I've read quite a bit about it today, so it's all making sense to me, and others can if they choose to. It all started as PTSD from when you were bullied in middle school.
She couldn't delete everything, not what others quoted, and if you read the last post in this thread, knowing everything I know, it all clicks.
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15618&p=47239
She's apologetic to Taniaaust1. She got off on the wrong foot. She never mentioned she was thanatophobic from the start, and more specifically a fear of being a ghost or the undead. So when Taniaaust1 suggested that her dream in which a person saw her in real life was an Out of Body Experience it scared her and she lashed out at you. But it's all water under the bridge now.
She has many phobias, including genophobia which led to a few debates with Summerlander, and mood swings, so it must be very hard to be part of a group and feel like you belong in this world.
We all came together and realized how we may have mistreated Lucidity Master once we understood they had some problems too: http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15187 (You were very considerate in that one Summerlander. Perhaps it's only because he shared very similar views to you.)
I don't feel superior to anyone with mental disabilities. Phobias are irrational so it's hard for others to understand.
We all have some problems don't we? I can't really diagnose myself, but I'd say my ergophobia stems from performance anxiety, and perfectionism which leads to alcoholism and a lack of any romantic relationship my entire life. Now that I think about it, that sounds pretty bad actually. :shock:
I think I'm the delusional one who just laughs it all off in denial. More specifically, that delusional disorder many of us humans create in our minds called, 'hope'. ;) It's what keeps us going.
She didn't have to delete her posts as I wouldn't do what she fears; I'm usually busy working, spending time with family, reading or watching documentaries. Nesgirl has nothing to fear from me if she comes back but if forums deepen her paranoia, perhaps she should avoid them.
I remember what we first described as thanatophobia (I don't think that's how she referred to her condition) but perhaps it was more like uranophobia as she feared the possibility of an afterlife. Didn't she favour nonexistence at death? Anyway, I'm curious if she has tried lucid dreaming as a form of therapy. Perhaps to mitigate her paranoia. Has she? I'd love it if she posted here at least once just to clarify. It could be the first step to make a comeback. Or not.
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Summerlander wrote: She didn't have to delete her posts as I wouldn't do what she fears;
We all know that. Even after you tell her that she probably won't believe you. That's the delusional side of the disorder.
Summerlander wrote: I'm curious if she has tried lucid dreaming as a form of therapy. Perhaps to mitigate her paranoia.
Yes, she reports that only in her lucid dreams can she ever feel at peace with everybody without fear of persecution. Unfortunately they don't last forever, but at least a part of her life is spent in peaceful solitude. She also uses them to act out her aggression on those she feels have wronged her. I don't know if that mitigates or intensifies the problem though.
This thread should be considered a sanctuary. A garden of olive branches if you will.... (Not the Olive Garden, Blechh! :mrgreen: )
In my perfect world, she'd write something here, face up to her 'bullies', and move on with life, with a little less burden weighing her down. But, I'm being delusional with my dream.
I will keep doing my thing. You don't mind, uh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH-_9cwdLug
I like people that don't 'fit in'. I know I never did. I was always Wicked and Weird. I feel at home with those who feel like an outcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wyyVh3uc5Y
We follow our own path, and I'll take my own road. I don't scold people at the side of the road, who I feel different and fell to the wayside from me, who seem to want to take me in a different direction. I'll continue forward and pick up hitchhikers and gather a group in my car and carry on.
This is both a funny and serious video.
That sums me up: Serious and funny. I won't change.
I might even be the puppet around here, but I don't want to be anymore.
P.S. When you see him sleeping in the back seat and a puppet is driving, how can't any of you realize it's a dream metaphor?...... Just Saying.
HAGART wrote: Nesgirl thinks you're trying to lure her back in, Summerlander, and she certainly doesn't believe in Enra Traz's future.
Say what you want here; She reads this. I can act as a go-between.
I'll light some candles, and we can all gather around a table. I'll channel her dead spirit that committed forum suicide and speak with her. I'll be her voice, allowing her to speak through me.
(I never know if she finds me funny or offensive. I really don't get her humour, but common... that was funny! ;) )
You claim to be a forum medium but I'm sceptic now. How do I know you are for real? There is no proof. You could be making it up. Why would YOU be in touch with nesgirl? :mrgreen:
ps. Nesgirl can do what she wants.
My last post was made at 4:14 a.m. (my time), and I was intoxicated. I thought it was a really good idea at the time... :?
But I woke up and watched the video, and it's actually a very good metaphor. She needs to move on and be herself and forget about others and leave them behind her. Forget about 'The Dog' next to you, Nesgirl. We all need confidence being ourselves and give a middle finger to everyone behind you. I also did it to share with Desert, because I know they like interesting music.
ANYWAY, (*puts on sarcasm helmet)
I know you don't believe me, Summerlander. I have a paranormal ability that can't be explained. Indeed, I can channel Nesgirl. What I do is wait until after midnight, light some candles, or if I don't have them turn on a light switch, and I go to my special device with many letters and numbers on it. No, not a Ouija Board. What do they call it.... oh yea, a "Lap Top". I then press a few buttons, and let my intuition guide me.
I go in a trance and see many things... mostly letters. I Then allow my inner spirit guide to form them into, not only words, but also sentences, which, believe it or not, form paragraphs that I interpret and find meaning in.
Then I come back to this village, like a messenger who descended a ridiculous number of steps from a shrine after speaking with the oracle, and tell my tales to you people.
*If anyone wants to know what a 'sarcasm helmet' looks like. It's a hockey mask like Jason with a propeller on top.
I should address the elephant in the room.
Summerlander and DeschainXIX have turned this pleasant forum where everyone should be free to talk about dreams and went militant atheist on everybody and are scaring a lot of people off. I don't disagree with your views, but you need to be more tactful. You really are the bullies of this forum.
I've seen it before. I've been here a long time, and it's getting worse. I don't know how Buildit puts up with you and DeschainXIX. It's like you set traps Summerlander and get giddy when someone falls in your web (a religion thread). "Looks like the spider caught himself a fly.... bring out the gimp!" And then DeschainXIX follows you around like a pit bull and chews apart people's beliefs, tearing them new ones, even if they didn't want one. Even if it's over simple semantics, you guys belittle others, and seem like bullies to many users. I know I speak the truth and many people can back me up.
The internet is vast and you both can troll a You Tube comment page and get your kicks there.
There is nothing more divisive than politics and religion and I don't want to see it anymore. Not here. Take it elsewhere.
I'm not a moderator, but I should be.
I believe in free speech and I'm just telling it how I see it. You're both free to defend yourselves.
EDIT: I cleaned up the language a little, but it's mostly the same.
When I got here I was very surprised that everyone (and I mean everyone) was so nice, polite and a thinker. It's the first forum I know that has so many beautiful members! I was delighted.. That's the main reason that I couldn't accept that there would be people being disrespectful and that's why I felt so disappointed.
In You Tube, you expect it so you it's different and it's full of people who discuss (very impolitely) religion, science and a lot more things. Trolls should remain there. At least we will know where to go and post if we want to have fun.
CyberBulling is a real threat and many don't take it seriously. People actually decide to commit suicide because of it. It's not a game.
Some people should type more carefully.
I was pretty harsh again. I do that to make a strong point.
Some of us have a harder shell and let things roll off our backs. That's why I never had a problem before. But now that I'm thinking about it, it's getting out of hand, and I know a few people, even before nesgirl, who left because they had enough of it all. (Lucid in the Sky for one.)
Even Rebecca, herself PM'd me back in Aug. 13, 2013: "you seem perfect for breaking up the heated arguments that Summerlander frequently inspires. (He is such a strong contributor, just a shame he comes off a bit arrogant to some and we go off track...."
So I know I'm not the only one.
I checked my own posts and I haven't written anything helpful about dreams at all in over a month. I've gone off track too. It's about time we all remembered what this place is for again, and get back to our roots.
This is a lucid dreaming forum. Don't forget that.
What a sneering, unabashed liar you are, Hagart. I don't know what weird Freudian thing you've got for nesgirl, but I don't care. I've never said anything as petty and insulting as the things you've said (you're like an idiotic schoolyard bully, turning this forum into a high school where you can play daddy and preach from your ivory tower), and nowhere have I attacked anyone for simply lucid dreaming. If you're going to be low enough to cash in on the mindless, vengeful mob mentality and to accuse someone of cyber bullying, you better build a solid fucking case instead of making drunken generalizations and complaining about how buildit doesn't win any debates.
By the way, I've never met anyone so conceited that they say that they should be moderator so they can ban two people simply for winning debates. It's pathetic, and it's reactionary, and it's egotistical. Especially if all that person did was gossip, post YouTube videos, and show off their ability to tell jokes...
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Oh, great. This thread will be closed now. :(
Why can't we be a little more polite and don't hate all the time? We can do better than this. And it's not for the others, but only for us. I was expecting a little more maturity here.
I deserve that DeschainXIX. I started it and what I dish out, I should accept in return. I was very insulting wasn't I? It doesn't feel good to be at the receiving end for a change now does it?
I was out of line, and edited my post a little. It's still mostly the same though. Let's just call it a draw. 1-1. We both got some things off our chest.
I will take some time today and find some instances where you came across as arrogant and belittled others, not to further this argument, but because you're right. I should find evidence to support my accusation.
I know of one right now: http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15420&p=47061
DeschainXIX wrote: Oh ... and just so you stop making yourself look so unlettered and illiterate: The phrase is "piece of work," not "piece of art."
(That was to R99. English isn't their first language, and admitted that.)
DeschainXIX wrote: Oh. Are you leaving? Good riddance. You bring nothing new, interesting, or exciting to the table. You’re antiquated news, and poor news at that.
I don't want to be moderator to ban you. In fact, I don't think I should be after my earlier post. I just feel we should get back to discussing lucid dreaming again which is the main purpose of this forum.
I will always speak my mind. It is not my intention to make people uncomfortable. If people don't like what I say, tough. It's their problem, not mine. And we give as good as we get, and sometimes, yes, I say this unabashedly, better!
Let's not get sidetracked here from the fact that nesgirl was no saint. Let's not forget either that name-calling and traducement was very one-sided. She clashed with many people here and she left -- perhaps the best decision she ever made.
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Here’s a classic example of my analogy. You two weren’t actually that bad, and perhaps I exaggerated a little. OK, a lot. I like hyperbole. I apologize and should have worded it better. But this does seem like a religious debate trap to me that Desert Explorer saw coming:
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=16047&start=100 (Are You Religious?)
The user, Pika?, unwittingly fell in to that ‘trap’. Desert Explorer said what I was thinking and anyone else who’s been here for a while.
Desert Exploer wrote: Pika, nice to meet you.
Hold tight..
Pika? wrote: what did u mean by ''hold tight''?
Btw nice to meet you too!!!!
Desert Explorer wrote: You will find out, don't be impatient. Just make sure that you spend enough time here.
Desert Explorer wrote: Here it comes..
Pika? wrote: Ok, I smell a religious argument coming.....
To be honest, I am ill equipped with knowledge for a religious debate. I know the bad image of Islam in the modern times. But I do believe in the fundamentals of Islam which is to believe in Allah, strive to be a better person and help others. Basically, the Islamic lifestyle is peaceful and virtuous, thats why I consider myself lucky to be a Muslim and try to be a better one every way possible.
I know very well you guys dont agree with me. Im only 18, i hardly have enough knowledge to argue, my big exam starts from april and I am seeing myself being doomed. So im not really in a position to defend.
Pika? wrote: Ok i didn't say that my religion is indefensible, its just that I cant defend it. I try to acquire knowledge as much as possible, be it religion, science or other things. Its true that I don't have enough knowledge to defend, but I do have enough knowledge to practice, apply the religion in my life.
I just learnt that most of the people here are atheists therefore pro at bashing religions, so I'm just gonna walk away......I have neither the intention nor the capability to argue with you guys. So lets just drop it, eh? Its a lucid dreaming site after all, we have the same goals, we shouldn't create differences among us just because we hold different religious views, should we???
Btw if you really want to flex your arguing muscles, then email Zakir Naik or William Campbell or whatever..........unlike me they do have the experience!
It wasn’t that bad actually, but it goes to show how some people get scared off from this site when it seems like Summerlander and DeschainXIX start to gang up and attack beliefs all the time.
All the time? The topic was religion.
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If anything, I was no worse than R99, at most I was a over-reactionary. That post where I corrected them was intentional--R99 called me a "piece of art"; I think it's entirely fair that I make fun of their inability to look up what the actual expression is before typing it out of blind anger. I hate to say this, but if you insist on playing daddy, I must: He started name-calling first. He called me a piece of work, I called him illiterate--yeah, Hagart, looks like I'm luring people into my spider's web so I can "rape" them again. You know that I wasn't "raping" or indulgently attacking R99 as my personal victim in that thread (especially not discouraging him from talking about lucid dreaming in other subforums), you know that we both were very derisive and engaged in an intense debate, so step down from your high horse and stop preaching, saying I personally am poisoning your forum.
And, by the way, at one point you said that you were on my side and that buildit was in the wrong. And, since of course you are the patriarchal arbiter of morality and right and wrong here at WoLD, I at that time thought I was in the right. We debated, I won, he was resentful. Nothing has happened in that intervening time. But now, you're saying I'm in the wrong and you've adopted this mercurial resentment and hatred. The holy word of Hagart has been spoken--I now am in the wrong!
What I can agree on is that things go Off-Topic far too often here. It's only because there are literally a handful of people who even care about this forum, so no one really minds if we keep things informal; when it's so difficult to get a conversation going in the first place... This is our special place and we don't care much for rules; that was my perception at least.
It is a sinister, politician's lie, I assert, that Summerlander or myself are the reason there are so few people here.
Hagart, you posted on that thread just a few hours after I did for the first time. Looks like you're one of Summerlander's fucking "gimps" too. That thread is remarkably civil, as is our exchange with Pika?. What's so objectable? We weren't off-topic either...
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Oh, damn. If I go, the only reason will be that I can't stand to be more of an off-topic guy. I have given up in LD almost completely. If these random ones wouldn't happen, I could feel very embarrassed that I'm still here.
I think we were very civil with Pika. If anything, she is probably reading a ton of books before she returns to this wonderful and enlightened forum. 8-)
By the way, guys, what is 'gimp'? :mrgreen:
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Right, I promise I'll post more oneironautical stuff over the summer, when I can get proper sleep (I get up at 5AM every day and usually can't go to bed until 11PM). Usually during school periods I literally can't lucid dream at all.
Watch Pulp Fiction, Summerlander. Great film.
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There are so many better things to do than sitting on your ass all day and reading books. Always friendly, DesertExplorer.
Hmm, I should make this my signature. :)
Deschain, nothing can compete with the beauty of your dog. I tried to, but I failed. My little bastard is not as beautiful as your bitch is.
You post at your own pace and post what you like, Deschain. You are not here to please everyone. I will watch Pulp Fiction properly at some point. (I think I watched part of it stoned ;-) )
By the way, Desert, 'Better things to do... than reading books' is subjective. And, speaking for myself, I do do other things. Reading is a hobby -- and a useful one, too. :-)
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I know. From the moment someone says the word "better", becomes subjective.
I noticed we're talking Quentin Tarantino here!
Reservoir Dogs is a masterpiece!! If you haven't watched this either, then make sure you do, Summer.
I've got it on DVD. Cool movie! 'You gonna bark all day, little doggie, or are you gonna bite?' 8-)
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Mr. Blonde is awesome. :D
"Alone at last.." :D
How many dogs do you have?
I wouldn't mind a life where I could just sit around reading (and writing) all day. Provided I could go for long walks at my leisure. I rarely trust an idea unless it comes to me when I'm out in the fresh air, walking or hiking someplace interesting, where the mind isn't prone to forget about the world.
I only have one dog. The sheltie in my old picture died a while back, and I recently adopted a new puppy. I haven't been conscious of my avatar in a long time, and you reminded me that it might be appropriate to replace it. :D
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I always think better when I walk. And whatever doubt comes to my mind, I welcome it more easily.
deschainXIX wrote: Right, I promise I'll post more oneironautical stuff over the summer, when I can get proper sleep (I get up at 5AM every day and usually can't go to bed until 11PM). Usually during school periods I literally can't lucid dream at all.
Watch Pulp Fiction, Summerlander. Great film.
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Did you manage to watch the film, Summer? I want to make a spoiler.
No. But I will. ;-)
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OK, nice!! I am looking forward to hear your opinion and we all share some spicy scenes.
I took a month off to sober up. Sometimes we need a punch in the face to wake up. I come back stronger.
And smarter. :? Maybe...
Or I just learned to Shut The Fuck Up!
Upon reflection, I've realized that I grudgingly miss having nesgirl around. Hope she comes back.
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