The Universe :O

I think i'm gonna be an astronomer when i'm older :D Well, i'm interested in space right now at least. I recently looked at the Hubble deep field thing which involves the most important image of all time. This made me remember how my dad told me that when you look into space, you are looking at the past because of how fast light travels. If you were to place a mirror on the moon and look at it, you will see about 2.5 seconds into the past. What i am wandering is if this is true, why don't they make a telescope to look at Earth from far away and see the past? What are your thoughts...

It's a good and interesting idea! I don't think we are capable of building such a machine though. Or I believe we could build it, but we have no way of getting outside of our solar system even, so we couldn't keep a machine going that far away.

Have you heard of Project Looking Glass? It's a program the government started in the 70s to try to see the future.

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LucidLink wrote: It's a good and interesting idea! I don't think we are capable of building such a machine though. Or I believe we could build it, but we have no way of getting outside of our solar system even, so we couldn't keep a machine going that far away.

Have you heard of Project Looking Glass? It's a program the government started in the 70s to try to see the future.

Yeah that's true, one of our telescopes only recently left the solar system. But I mean what if they send a telescope satellite thing out far enough then look back and hmm, in haven't heard of it. I'll look it up!

Everyone lives in the past. It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to live in the present. Here's why: It takes time for your senses to detect stimuli, sending the information to the brain, the brain to decode it and select the appropriate response. After all that is done, it is not the present anymore. We all live in the past. Just a little depressing fact for you!

Time is in the eye of the beholder. Perception needs to be a factor in any equation. Without that, Physics will hit a brick wall.

deschainXIX wrote: Everyone lives in the past. It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to live in the present. Here's why: It takes time for your senses to detect stimuli, sending the information to the brain, the brain to decode it and select the appropriate response. After all that is done, it is not the present anymore. We all live in the past. Just a little depressing fact for you!

Think about this. In a lucid dream, we sense information, but it comes from our own brains, wherever those subconscious axions and synapses are firing off. But there's a delay. It only travels at the speed of light. So even the slightest delay, billionths of a second, can make it seem like you are in a world you didn't create, but it was created billionths of a second before perceiving it consciously in the dream.... :o :ugeek:

And it doesn't matter the time frame of the delay. The fact that there is a delay at all makes all the difference.

Yes. Perception is everything. There is no "reality." We oneironauts understand that better than anyone.

Interesting job, me im interesting in the Universe. Reality is just an illusion; E=mc2 the famous Einstein formula. Everything you touch is just energy.

You would not be seeing the past in the way you are thinking, you would be seeing the present at a later date.
Ponder on that one :D

You have a lovely mind and keep puzzling and thinking away, and posting your thoughts

Physicists always speak of 'information'. In other words everything is waves that carry information with the ability to be perceived or even decoded by a machine. (that's my layman's interpretation) I know a bit about black holes too and all that, but I don't want to get too scientific.

The fact of the matter is, 'information' bounces off everything and exists everywhere at once whether detected with our brains or not, or any other device.

SO basically everything is perceivable everywhere at any time. (Provided electro-magnetic waves have reached it, and you have the ability to decode it and 'translate' it for our human perception).

A giant telescope the size of a planet is feasible and would be an a amazing breakthrough. Then point that back at Earth and see what happens.... It would be impossible to see dinosaurs because the telescope's travel through space would have to exceed the speed of light waves and then get put in place and then transmit radio waves ( or any other electro-magnetic wave) that travels at the speed of light too, so you can never see further back than when the original telescope was put in place.

I love this conceptual-ideas type science. Thought experiments. Einstein was into that too! And I read on this site that Tesla was a very imaginative person too and would dream, or envision, his experiments graphically in detail too.

deschainXIX wrote: From my perspective, you, DesertExplorer are the only one propagating “trollish” fighting. Why do you care if I quote you or not? I’m talking to you; that is markedly clear to everyone else.

If you would read the “Afterlife” thread, you’ll notice that I merely posed a few mildly probing questions, hoping to instigate some semblance of introspection (or discussion--but that was a fantasy, I see now) of your own convictions. Your replies were generic, and the proactive and erudite Summerlander effectively replied to them before I could. I then dismissed you and addressed “Philosopher” in the elegant game of argumentational polemics--which Summerlander, “Philosopher,” and myself all have a plentiful and nuclear history of and which you were no part of--and for some bewildering reason you gurgled that I was a troll…

Anyway… no one’s attacking you anymore. Upon reflection of the “Afterlife” thread, one notes that you never made any real points in the debate. You only very quickly became angry and petulantly so. :D

I made points and I will make them again if you want me too. Just read more carefully next time, so I don't have to do twice, alright dear? Oh and it's funny writing like you make an essay when you use simple words instantly to insult others at times. Just a note for you.

Friend, you can't find nothing that suggests that I was angry. You try to do that with anyone who disagrees with you. When you have nothing else to say, you just starting insulting and I can tell that it is surprising for me to see someone who in other circumstances, he talks like a scientist. You say that you hurt the feelings of other users too. Hehe.. the same strategy everywhere. You try but you are not a successful troll yet, because you are predictable. I can even imagine your next answer if you are going to. An other effort of making someone really angry while he has nothing against you. And no, I never became angry. Why are you saying that? Because I don't use :mrgreen: or :D all the time like you do to show that you are cool? Hehehe.. But if you want to achieve that you have to talk to me like this in person. Do you think that someone who is browsing on the web, he will pissed off so easily? Behind a PC? Come on dude, what are you? 10 years old? Only some miserable kids on YouTube try to do that to each other or people who cannot solve issues in their life. :P But, now I think that you are pissed off, because of your insults. Just too obvious, kid. So to close, I didn't try to insult you in any way, while you did many times with 8-) lander.

So, calm down, if you want to talk about it next time, instead of starting to play hard. We can still talk about it if you want. I agree with the part that faith to an imaginary existence is not progressing for humanity but I can say that everyone has used faith in his life at least once and was productive. When you wanted to succeed in that interview and you really wanted to take the job, you had done everything that you could and you were not just hoping, you were believing that you would make it. This was an example.

That is why when something bad comes from faith, you don't have to be so absolute about it. I understand that you may have lived some difficult situations or lived with people who were religious or something, but you cannot deny that faith is essential. If you can, then well.. I am all ears.

Peace..

I should change my name to "Cool-lander." :mrgreen:

I love to emote, Desert, I can't help it. If it bothers you, I'm sorry, but it's hardly an offence. Don't tell, Peter, please!!! :-D

I'm an artist and illustrator. I think sometimes images help to subliminally convey messages and emotions. Poets probably don't feel the need to use imagery so much as they can do that with words, but I don't have that knack. :-)

Anyway, in an online debate, I will use everything at my disposal. Even our cousin primates show facial expressions when conveying moods, and I think that's a useful evolutionary trait and not something that should be lost by us just because we are intelligent shaved apes communicating with computers and phones. So cool smilies and other emoticons it is. 8-)

I also enjoy deschainXIX's posts because they make me feel like I'm reading my favourite books and the level of enlightenment expressed makes me feel less cynical about the world.

And to stay on topic... :mrgreen:

DeschainXIX's posts remind me that the universe truly is a wonderful place, with its chaos, order and beauty. When I look at the stars I realise there is more to life than good porn, nesgirl. ;-)

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I think that poets use imagery too.

Now that you explained it to me, it's OK. I just find it difficult to oppose to something that looks like an insult to me, without making an insult myself. I don't want to oppose to, neither to insult something that already lowered the level of conversation. So, you understand, it's an one way though this, which you call it whining or inability to accept judgment, but I call it just a fair complaint.

You're nicer today! How were your dreams? :)

Well, let’s see, then. I posed my line of questioning (which you never answered). You asked why I couldn’t balance faith and logic. You said that I was only “one part of the image” (strange little line). Then you said, “Why you take it so far,” and said that I lack logic. Your next three hysteric and brief posts were desperate attempts at avoiding any more uncomfortably logical probations or confrontations of your typical convictions, which you facilitated by saying that the entire thing was a miscommunication--followed by you asking Philosopher to quote who he was speaking to (you have a recurring problem with that, it seems). In your next post you called me a “transcendental troll.”

Now, out of this captious and illiterate sprawling mess, I could not find a single legitimate debate point.

Everything that followed was indeed trollish and infantile fighting, all of which was mysteriously provoked by yourself. All you really did was hurl a few petty insults and rant about how opinions are things that should be merely voiced and not questioned (which is fitting with your character; in your very first post you said only, “I believe there is, yes,” without providing your thoughts or reasons for doing so). “The only reason I respond to you instead of Philosopher is not that I agree with him or disagree with you, but only because I don't like persons who cannot accept an opinion. You know, I can accept facts. You are the one who cannot. Try and accept the fact of different opinions, make up your mind and we'll talk later..” In all of your posts you couldn’t have been more transparent about the fact that you were shaking with rage; I’m uncertain as to whether that point can be doubted at all.

I wasn't even all that involved in the debate. Again, I only posted twice: I posed a few minor questions, and after Philosopher accused Summerlander and I of “not being lucid dreamers at all”, being unable to focus, going on wild tangents, and fictionalizing words, I returned the favor by making an apt criticism of something he said. And suddenly you make me your most vile enemy; you have all the marks of someone who buys into false dichotomies and can’t handle a debate but only collapses in spasms of outrage and lamentation on the first go-around.

This is tiresome and you are a particularly capricious and confusing manifestation of irrationality. I hope I have presented my point of view in its entirety here. I don’t see any need for us to be enemies. :)

Oh, and I noticed that interesting blurb in your last paragraph. No, I assure you that I have not been traumatized by people of faith. All things considered, I had a pleasant childhood. The same, however, cannot be said of the millions of children who have been methodically and institutionally brainwashed, enslaved, controlled, repressed, raped, tortured, and murdered throughout history (and today) in the name of myth. Not everyone is so egocentric as to not account for other people, Desert. I mean, I know that this poor excuse for an argument is used by many religious people to explain away all the objective, global malignancies of faith, but why would you think that of myself? My mother is not religious and my father is exceptionally liberal.

Wow, some people really get serious.

I keep a few helium filled balloons next to my puter.

I do not generally follow much here, in reading or responding. This is my momentary break time while working on equations that sometimes go beyond two pages in length and factoring them down, and formatting them is quite BORING.

As I am working with a distinctly different concept of language than what will be found in educational institutions, and in mathematics which are not found anywhere, I make associations which are too demanding on a reader. But, it teaches me.

For me, to have a serious conversation, one would first have to agree upon the functional language and how it is expressed. A great deal of that is reflected in my responses. Pointless to get two [puny] serious if one is actually processing information in exclusive manners.

I can say that I was emotional in some posts (I'm not a robot anyway) but not angry with anyone.

Faith has helped many people who I know. That is why I don't think you should be so absolute about the subject. Not all people desire, have the time or even desire to possess the time to solve some of their problems in their lives with deep analysis over everything. So, they believe in God and that He will help them. And guess what; it happens! The law of attraction, you see. Nothing more. In my opinion it's wonderful, because they create something out of nothing. Before you answer and talk about mind control, murders in the name of God, tortures and other stuff, I want to clear that I'm talking about ordinary quiet people. Not all of the believers have grown up in a religious family so that they get brain-washed. There are a lot of them who follow the road of believing in a creator without believing in Jesus, Allah etc.. Without following rules, praying and be bound to commandments or even fearing the punishment of breaking them. I think you are not aware of those people and that is why I felt like informing you.

You see, DE, when I was young, and they tested my I.Q. I realized I had a responsibility. I have the potential to solve problems others cannot, no matter how hard they try. So, I had to take paths that others found less flattering to accomplish my goals. Also, I had great passions, but no matter how hard I tried, I found I cannot bring along another with me.

So, no, I do not direct my efforts at those who cannot, but at who can. In order to do this, I have to be constantly educating myself, by interacting on some level, as what I do, takes all my waking hours. It is a huge project, I don't have anyone who can see enough of its importance to be moved by it.

I have to let go much of the house work, much of personal attention, while raising a son on my own. I have to do it. No body else has the ability, or motivation.

A correct religion is based upon metaphor, it still leaves open the mind to further development.

The mind must function, and in order to do so, it has to fill in great areas of darkness with something. Fill it with something functional, and the mind can progress. Fill it with nonsense, and you destroy progress.

Greater intelligence does not always mean less able to arrive at a rational conclusion.

There are forces, outside of man's awareness, guiding history. It is all aimed at, bringing the mind of man into functionality. It is ruthless, and it is kind. It just is, but it is to maintain and promote life, towards personal responsibility, and personal functionality--the one that makes up the many.

Now, it don't matter what name you give it. God, Aliens, The Galactic Mind, Santa Claus, simple cause and effect, but you cannot call it random, to no purpose, or pointless. And the closer you come to understanding, the more you use the same word, Truth. And, the weaker the mind, the more the truth becomes perverted. Those who think they understand, but do not. Only a rare person can say "I come so that they can have life, and have it more abundantly." Anyone with a parcel of sanity, cannot call that statement religious, but a simple matter of biological fact.

I, for example, take the statement "You shall love the Lord, your God, with your whole body, whole mind, and whole soul." and know that it means. 1 The Lord, The principles of Language, of Law, which rests upon the Law of Identity. The only power a mind can have or ever know. 2) The body, That it is how perception works. 3) The mind, That it is the foundation of Language, of reason and judgment. 4) The soul, And that human will is expressed by it.

I have seen the idea, applied it, demonstrated it as fact, to the whole body, mind, and soul. Yet you find my words difficult. All of my work on Language, functionally both branches of Law, say nothing more than that.

To most, it is fantasy and mysticism, or faith and blasphemy. I do understand things a bit differently, and a whole lot more functionally. And it is a simple biological fact. And I know something else, the original construction is designed to take the mind of man from one state of confusion, to one of understanding. A use of language only recognized by truly great story tellers.

So, when I show the evidence of what man could not see, the substance of what man hopes for, don't get so agitated.

Now, many people have claimed, do claim to be prophets. Isn't kind of silly when they cannot even demonstrate what God is?

There is even a religion that for me it's the more natural actually and you cannot call the people who endorse it brainwashed. It's called Thelema. I think that the most of here might be aware of. ;)

P.S. It's more of a Law actually.

The problem with that is, most do not actually know the difference between doing what one wills, which is a product of functional language, and doing what one pleases.

You will find it in the Platonic Dialogs, see Gorgias.

Socrates claimed that he was an expert on love, because in fact he was. Reasoning by definition is historically attributed to him, by Aristotle.

I think I get it. You mention something in your previous post. You do what you are willing to, but is does not necessary pleases you, right? Either way, you have to get some sort of satisfaction from it for you to do it right as you clearly want.

DesertExplorer wrote: I think I get it. You mention something in your previous post. You do what you are willing to, but is does not necessary pleases you, right? Either way, you have to get some sort of satisfaction from it for you to do it right as you clearly want.

Often as much satisfaction as a root canal.

I have my own gym in the basement. It is a lot of equipment, not the best, but very diverse.

You endorse Crowley's Thelema with the Law of Attraction? You do know they are both occultist bullshit, right? :-D

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You know what they say.. Either you die a hero or you live long enough to listen to 8-) lander's opinion.

DesertExplorer wrote: You know what they say.. Either you die a hero or you live long enough to listen to 8-) lander's opinion.

Infant mortality high, is it?

Wait and see if he gets around to actually asking you for your understanding of it. You will live to be very old indeed.

Philosopher8659 wrote:

DesertExplorer wrote:You know what they say.. Either you die a hero or you live long enough to listen to 8-) lander's opinion.

Infant mortality high, is it?

Wait and see if he gets around to actually asking you for your understanding of it. You will live to be very old indeed.

He will not ask me, because he hasn't study anything about the Thelema himself. But if he does I will answer with a relevant ancient greek quote, so I am going to die a hero, anyway. I have back-up. Don't you worry. ;)

Erm... ok, guys. lol!

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Summerlander wrote: DeschainXIX's posts remind me that the universe truly is a wonderful place, with its chaos, order and beauty. When I look at the stars I realise there is more to life than good porn, nesgirl. ;-)

Deschains posts make me think the universe is a complete dystopia, and will only continue to become more of one.

I find this cartoon really funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OydCKdKlbM Bible thumping Link kills Ganon. No wonder the enemies ran away from Link in a hurry.

And ha! Law of attraction. I disobey that law so bad, I officially will allow my asexual cats to use that law as their litter box.

Yeah, the Law of Bullshit! :-D

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Summerlander wrote: Yeah, the Law of Bullshit! :-D

The law where you throw cow pies at anyone you cannot stand.

What if you hate dung beetles? ;)

HAGART wrote: What if you hate dung beetles? ;)

But dung beetles are good for the environment.

Oh and you have to check out that other joke I wrote in that other thread in the general section.

OK, I think you got it. :lol:

HAGART wrote: OK, I think you got it. :lol:

Summerland had wrote a joke saying there is no such thing as "anything" leaving your body in a subject, and I turned it into a joke in another thread, saying, well I don't know if that's exactly true. Because unfortunately some people pee themselves, get injured and bleed themselves, drool, vomit, release negative food energy, etc.
And unfortunately females have it the worst.

We all have a unique sense of humor and I'm glad you have one. We all need it to keep sane in this crazy world.

Oh! That was a joke?!!! :-D

I would had attached a grinning emoticon at the end of that informative post! You see, Desert? This is why emoticons can be useful. I do encourage everyone to use them lest we miss humour and sarcasm. 8-)

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I'll try. :P