Saying Goodbye, I Apologize
Hey Everyone,
I believe that it is best for the health of this forum that I leave.I want to sincerely apologize for the arrogance and ignorance that I displayed. I apologize to Rebecca for posting links that may have diverted traffic from the forum.I also want to thank all the thoughtful, supportive people that make the World of Lucid a Dreaming Forum the great community that it is.
Rebecca, you have made an extremely supportive community of individuals. Nesgirl, sorry for the arrogance. You are a modest individual who has great knowledge to contribute. Peter, you are very kind, thoughtful, and have an excellent knowledge of scientific facts.HAGART, you have an admirable sense of humour, which brightens up the atmosphere of the forum. Thanks for all the tips you have given me in regards to my attitude. KonrdKronos and Goldkoron, I am sorry for the ignorance I displayed. You are very talented at what you do. ToraRubik, thanks for sending me the warning, but it's time I have moved on. Chaosdragoon, you are awesome, and extremely kind. I am sorry for any other individuals reading my posts who have been irritated by my arrogance.
I know what you are thinking 'Let's celebrate, LucidityMaster is leaving!' I understand this; I have been consistently showing arrogant, inappropriate behaviour, and it's time this has been put to an end.
Heck. I can lucid dream at will, but I am a loser. I have severe OCD that prevents me from getting a job, socially disabling Tourette's Syndrome (the rare swearing kind), depression, and social anxiety that prevents me from making friends. Lucid dreaming at will is my escape from this mess. That's why I was so angry at Lucidology, my Tourette's causes me to constantly move around, and I can WILD fine despite this.
Wishing you all the best of luck,
LucidityMaster
Don't apologise for being who you are and then leave. Stay, express yourself, and evolve like the rest of us. From reading your post it seems that you acknowledge having been insensitive to others and there is a tone of redemption. So why leave? It now rests on the others to recognise that you have grown from this experience and accept you for who you are.
You are not a loser. You colour the world as much as the next person. You are a great lucid dreamer so you are in the right place here. I value your opinions, even if they at times clash with mine. It is a pleasure to have your input so try to reconsider.
What do you say? 8-)
C'mon man, dont take it too seriously and leave the whole forum. Since you can lucid dream at will, then talk to your subconscious and fix a few things that you think that they are flaws. Everyone makes mistakes, whats important is that you learn from them and try to fix any errors about yourself. Lucid dreaming is a great way to escape from your troubles but it is also a great way to prepare yourself for anything that comes at your way. I know you brag a bit too much, but that only drives me to work harder and try to lucid dream the way you do and everyone should feel the same way. So dont leave, stay and help other people how to lucid dream. Stay, help them, nurture them and guide them to the greatness that is lucid dreaming.
I still need that link of course, but still you dont have to leave because of some troubles you faced. So again, dont leave, stay and set a good example of yourself.
LucidityMaster. I also have severe OCD and Tourette syndrome, but I do not have the rare swearing kind. It does enlighten me that you broke free of your tourette syndrome and have become a successful WILDer, a feat still incapable of me.
I am sorry for the attitude and rudeness we all displayed toward you, we talked behind your back within our own secret club, (our skype discussion group). You don't need to leave, you need more people to talk to. Heck, you should join our skype group, we talk about lucid dreams every single day and always support each other.
If lucid dreaming is an escape from life, then you need to correct that. A true and experienced lucid dreamer should not escape to lucid dreaming, but escape from lucid dreaming to life.
I didn't read the other comments yet, but I must first say, no need to leave if you see the err in your ways. You have a lot of knowledge and enthusiasm, and now that we know more about you the pieces of the puzzle come together. You never said anything bad about anybody and you were always positive.
(I'll edit this when I read the other comments and know how to word what I am thinking better....)
Do you guys think he left, or is there still hope of convincing him?
I don't know. But give him time. If you guys recall when I first joined, I upset a lot of people and was on the verge of being banned. I grew and tried different approaches, i.e. refraining from banging on about my opinions all the time. But I still express them and try to see where my opponents are coming from.
I think our friend here is afraid of upsetting people further. It's natural after a confrontation. But he shouldn't leave because of that. He should stay, freely express himself, and, if he happens to offend anyone, he can always apologise if an apology is indeed due. If a scenerio like that recurs we also need to ask ourselves if the complainant is being reasonable. This guy has shown us that he is big and humble enough to admit being wrong and has apologised. He is just a human being and I can somewhat empathise with him. I've been where he is minus the conditions (although I do think I'm a bit OCD myself).
Statistically, it may be true that people with certain conditions find it harder to lucid dream. But this is not strictly true for everyone. We still have a lot to learn about the human brain. Two individuals with OCD are not the same. They differ in many other areas. Where they differ may mean the difference between entering the lucid dream world with ease and with great trouble.
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You were on the verge of being banned? Wow thats new, i never thought someone like you would upset anyone. You have a lot of philosophies that you will always follow and you are a proud lucid dreamer. You are an admirable person and yet you were somewhat of an ass before?(please excuse my language but it was appropriate for this moment :mrgreen: I dont really mean that anyone in this forum is an ass, no offense)
But still, you're right summer the fact that he upset some people and regrets his actions makes him a good person and not a bad one.
No offense taken because you are absolutely right. I was an "ass" before but the beauty lies in the fact that I can now look back and recognise that. Some people at the time were being oversensitive, too, but I didn't exactly handle the situation as best as I could. I was given a second chance.
LucidityMaster's case is somewhat similar. He's demonstrated that his attitude has changed. This isn't the same LucidityMaster that was engaged in the aforementioned dispute. He has had time to chill, clear his head, ponder over what was said, and introspect.
The man has obviously done a lot of thinking. (Although I still think his decision to leave is somewhat rash. I hope he is speaking to Rebecca or Peter right now as I'm sure they'll be able to guide him in the right direction. He's an accomplished lucid dreamer. He belongs here.)
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[color=#0000BF]Summerlander: The man has obviously done a lot of thinking. (Although I still think his decision to leave is somewhat rash. I hope he is speaking to Rebecca or Peter right now as I'm sure they'll be able to guide him in the right direction. He's an accomplished lucid dreamer. He belongs here.)
I think he has been in contact with Rebecca and Peter, but he had his website stopped and that might be hard for him. He is bragging a bit, but I also would like him to stay. My reason is that he may need our forums for his well being. So I say: Welcome back Lucidity Master. :)
I think we misunderstood his enthusiasm and his way of encouraging others to accomplish what he did as bragging. His intention was to say, "I've accomplished a lot and feel I have mastered lucid dreaming, and you can be like me too!" (Emphasis on that last phrase).
And I also agree that there's a 'talent factor' as he said once. He wasn't trying to rub it in people's faces, that was not his intention (as I now know), but speaking the truth. He also pointed out that anyone can do it; It just might be harder. I won't become an Olympic athlete and win gold medals nearly as easily as someone who is born with a larger lung capacity, larger heart, and an all-round fit body, that's for sure. As for lucid dreaming, some are born with it, some pick it up quickly, and for others they can go years still trying. (Reading many posts on this forum, we all know that's the simple truth).
He has good intentions, and that is more important than how things were worded, which lead to some misunderstandings.
If you want to be part of a club with like-minded people and make some friends, no need to go anywhere else. You found the right place here! (If you can put up with us.) ;)
Luciditymaster you were making intelligent and informed posts and were a welcome new member - sorry to see you leave the forum.
No need to go, as a member I was looking forward to you getting to the stage where you post dreams and we all learn from what you do and what you think As a moderator I am simply keeping the forum inline with some protocols and as a friendly place where we are all equal.
no need to go
peter
I speak for myself when I say that your return will not be seen as a sign of weakness. Rather, it'll show strength and courage.
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WOOOW man, apologies it’s not something easy, respect man. Don’t say that you are a loser man. You can change your life, you have the choice in your hand; whether you could be a boat with no motor and be carried away by the waves, or be a boat with a motor.
-Try to be happy everyday even if it is for 1 min or 20 sec, if you can’t, then watch video that make you laugh.
-Don’t stay at home, home will destroy you. If you have friends, go outside and make some bowling or some activities. Shut down your computer also.
-If you have a girlfriend, hug her, you will feel good. Personally i love hugging girls even if they are not my girlfriend.
-Go to the gym, your body needs that. I go the gym and meet a lot of people(some dads, moms, students, girls etc…) They like to grab my arm to talk.
-When your mind says ''NO you can’t’’, you reply ''Yes I can’’ and start being lucid in real life also.
-Meet new people every day. In a day I meet 3 or 5 new people.
Hope it will help you to get sooooo high everyday.
i have also offered PM as a contact or Skype if needed. Its a pity to see him go and have send a couple of PM's as well but no answer.
Give it time anyway and hope for a comeback
Peter
He was logged in last night, so almost certainly has read the posts in this thread.
Snaggle wrote: He was logged in last night, so almost certainly has read the posts in this thread.
I saw that, I hoped for him to write something, but I guess he does not have the courage.
You cannot be welcomed and included if you choose to sit in a corner LM. I was like that for a short time in my life.
Or maybe he's enjoying reading all our posts posthumously.
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The key to recovery is time. So yeah we all have to be patient for him and let him take his time to think things through.
Well, LucidityMaster, feel free to PM me if you want to talk about it.
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I saw that post LM. You don't need to reword it, stop stressing over it.
Thanks Goldkoron
What I was trying to say....(3 hours later...after trying to submit the same message again without deleting it)
Hey guys, I'm back.
I am trying to submit this message for the twentieth time.
Sorry, i am experiencing a bit of 'OCD-relapse'.
This includes having to retype every sentence I write, which has made posting difficult.
I have been preparing a post titled 'How I Mastered Lucid Dreaming in One Night!'
I will be revealing all of my secrets.
Thank you guys for all the encouragement.
LucidityMaster
(PS- I've been trying to reply to private messages, but OCD makes this difficult)
LucidityMaster wrote: Thanks Goldkoron
What I was trying to say....(3 hours later...after trying to submit the same message again without deleting it)
Hey guys, I'm back.
I am trying to submit this message for the twentieth time.
Sorry, i am experiencing a bit of 'OCD-relapse'.
This includes having to retype every sentence I write, which has made posting difficult.
I have been preparing a post titled 'How I Mastered Lucid Dreaming in One Night!'
I will be revealing all of my secrets.
Thank you guys for all the encouragement.
LucidityMaster
(PS- I've been trying to reply to private messages, but OCD makes this difficult)
Welcome back.
Just send a blank PM - we understand and welcome back
Welcome back, man! B-)
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Welcome back, glad to have you back. Sorry for my delayed reply. :mrgreen:
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Im glad I saw this post as I was allowing you to get to me.
Have you considered you could actually have Aspergers. I think its a strong possiblity in your case. OCD and social anxiety commonly go with that and you said you have issues making friends (that all points to possible Aspergers). I know you blamed your lack of friends on social anxiety but thou its hard for you to communicate, from what Ive seen here, it seems your lack of friends would be more so how you are actually expressing yourself (which is more of an Aspergers issue when trying to make friends).
Some of your posts have been a bit inappropriate too in a way different to social anxiety issues or OCD eg you laughed at someones beliefs, makes me think of Aspergers. Anyway, Aspergers could be what is underlying all your issues here.
Aspergers would also explain what seems to be black and white thinking in your posts eg 100% create your lucid dreams at will. (no grey area that some may not be able to 100% do it.. black and white thinking).
Symptoms of Asbergers are definitely seen in Tourette's. Can verify from experience.