MY ULTIMATE TRUTH.
I got she idea from sumerlander, I'm posting my ''ultimate truth'' ''so far'' and you welcome to post what ever you think is the most important, and relevant truth, or belief, ''pleas mark them as belief or truth'' i believe that both are important, because a truth can be hide in a belief until we understand it.
my ultimate truth...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x3BhZqFewU
There is only a problem with the way that we live if we perceive one. It is true that our minds are conditioned to behave a certain way since birth. But we can also use our drives to find ourselves and our own freedom. The preacher in the video who talks about saving his fellow man has also been brainwashed since childhood into believing that there is a god who created everything.
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It doesn't matter if he thinks theres a god, if you don't believe in him you take his place, every one has baggage, it would take us a few hundred years to get over all the lies, I personal don't know whether there is a god or not, quite frankly I think we should sort our shit out first, then think about it. its interesting how the pyramid is upside down at the moment, there public servants and people have forgotten.
In that case, let me leave you to ponder over something that one of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America once said:
'Shake off all fears of servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of God, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.'--Thomas Jefferson
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I agree with you, But quite frankly I have great respect for a lot of the older traditions, The ones that survived for thousands of years with out damaging the earth, Our logical, But yet still insane society, Has brought our civilisation to the brink on extinction/enslavement, So as much as the creator idea is completely un comprehendible, The big bang theory is just as ludicrous in my opinion, So it really doesn't bother me what people believe as long as they let me live my life, And do no harm, I don't like to see people believe false things tho because I think it leads to insanity, But we all live in an insane world so I don't think any of us can really talk about what is sane and what is not, The elders in tribes use to listen to young children to make sure the were un tainted by life, And to keep them on the right road. However the only real way to ensure that we survive as a spies is if we all do what WE feel is right, And if you can look pass the religious aspect of the video, Thats what it is all about, You doing what you think is right, That way only a small percentage of the population will ever go off the walls, And can be kept an eye on be the rest of us. Its only when a institution a Religion, a Government, or other form of power, Tells people what to do, We have a problem. wow that was a long one :)
Ancient civilisations believed in absurdities about natural phenomena which a teenager is savvy enough to explain today. For instance, Vikings believed two wolves were devouring the sun and the moon during eclipses; the Aztecs religiously immolated people in order to propitiate their deities; and the Mayans used to kill children whenever their leaders got sick in the belief that such hideous rituals would cure them. If such civilisations failed to wreak the equivalent of the incalculable damage caused by atomic bombs over the Earth, it is because they lacked our ken and imagination--not because they were nobler or less evil as you seem to imply. (We are, after all, talking about tribal peoples closer to mankind's infancy than we are.)
Our logical, But yet still insane society, Has brought our civilisation to the brink on extinction/enslavement,
There are more people today than ever before--and we live longer, generally speaking, due to our medical and technological advances which have majorly improved our way of life. The average lifespan for a human being is no longer the age of 25 as was the case aeons ago. And if our kind hadn't left the savannah--if we had stayed like the other apes--we would have gone extinct back then. (There was a time on Earth when there was only a very few thousand of us--compared to the 7 billion today--that's how close we came to becoming extinct!)
The big bang theory is just as ludicrous in my opinion,
How is it just as ludicrous, in your opinion, when it has explanatory power and corresponds to what is cosmologically observed? If you reject the Big Bang, why is there a cosmic background radiation and why is it that the universe's expansion according to Hubble's Law is reversible to a singularity point almost 14 billion years ago? What is your explanation, then? :-)
However the only real way to ensure that we survive as a spies is if we all do what WE feel is right,
What about narcissistic, murderous psychopaths? Should they do what they feel is right? :mrgreen:
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1 :lol: firstly non of us know exactly what any one thought back 2,000 years ago, however if we go with the idea of wolves eating the sun, id imagine it was a way for people to remember how small they are and how Important the world is, people to day have no respect for any thing or any one.
2 yer, We spend our teens in school learning how to be useful for some one else, Then we are told that actually your still useless, And are sent to college Until your 20 or older, Then you realise that a college lone was not so good an idea, still no one wants you to work for them, so you repeat the previous step, So now your up shit creek, your 22 and in debt, But finally you get a job, Work 9 to 5, have ''TWO DAYS ALL TO YOUR SELLF'' YIP FU#ING EEEEE....... You get drunk, Have an accident, Get married, Have two more, Send them into the same system you went thru, and tell them I hated school but its different now. Repeat the 5 day week 9 to 5 thing until you 66 at which point your pants hanging down at knee level, But now your kids have a job. So you can finally sit down and relax, but your useless, You get alzheimer disease and get put in a old people bin, You pension of course went to some fat banker, So you kids pay to have your nappy changed twice a day, then finally they put you in a big fancy box, Parade you around the town and bury you in with all the rest of them. ''I'm quiet good, but no one ever asks me to read there future''
3 By back round radiation you mean a slight hisssss.......... :? sounds like scientific evidence to me, in fact enough to bass a ''theory'' in fact how can a scientist evan come up with a ''theory'' its ether, FACT or.. NOT FACT. Let me make it simple, there was nothing....wait for it...... then there was 99.9 off every thing we can, and can't see today, and they have the cheek to put a time on it :lol: :lol: :lol:
4 psychopaths are only a problem in a pyramidical power structure.
seanEE wrote: 1 :lol: firstly non of us know exactly what any one thought back 2,000 years ago,
Because ancient civilisations never wrote down their thoughts and beliefs. The Torah was never compiled; Confucius never recorded his golden rules and philosophy; and Ancient Egypt never produced the Rosetta Stone inscriptions. :mrgreen:
seanEE wrote: 2 yer, We spend our teens in school learning how to be useful for some one else, Then we are told that actually your still useless, And are sent to college Until your 20 or older, Then you realise that a college lone was not so good an idea, still no one wants you to work for them, so you repeat the previous step, So now your up shit creek, your 22 and in debt, But finally you get a job, Work 9 to 5, have ''TWO DAYS ALL TO YOUR SELLF'' YIP FU#ING EEEEE....... You get drunk, Have an accident, Get married, Have two more, Send them into the same system you went thru, and tell them I hated school but its different now. Repeat the 5 day week 9 to 5 thing until you 66 at which point your pants hanging down at knee level, But now your kids have a job. So you can finally sit down and relax, but your useless, You get alzheimer disease and get put in a old people bin, You pension of course went to some fat banker, So you kids pay to have your nappy changed twice a day, then finally they put you in a big fancy box, Parade you around the town and bury you in with all the rest of them. ''I'm quiet good, but no one ever asks me to read there future''
It's life, like it or lump it. If you want a shot at changing things, become a revolutionary--or just drink tea, meditate and accept it like a Buddhist. :-)
seanEE wrote: 3 By back round radiation you mean a slight hisssss.......... :? sounds like scientific evidence to me, in fact enough to bass a ''theory'' in fact how can a scientist evan come up with a ''theory'' its ether, FACT or.. NOT FACT. Let me make it simple, there was nothing....wait for it...... then there was 99.9 off every thing we can, and can't see today, and they have the cheek to put a time on it :lol: :lol: :lol:
The time tallies with the evidence and the CBR isn't the only thing backing the Big Bang theory. I think it would be more illogical if they said the universe has always existed. This would certainly be beyond comprehension.
seanEE wrote: 4 psychopaths are only a problem in a pyramidical power structure.
Psychopaths are incompatible with society ... and it's not their fault. 8-)
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Wow wow you can read Egyptian :?
well seeing that every one is happy in there nappy, yer I'm going to have to lump it. but if i hear an other person say those words again ''we have never lived in better times'' :evil:
its a theory, in other words, its laking some vital evidence to make it a fact, which makes it a wooly tripy vortex belief nothing more than a religion, that no one can comprehend, but yet most peopl are shur its true, evan tho it havant been proven, an interesting idea it is, but it should be lumped in with religion and popular belief in schools,
exactly, there incompatible with this society, where if your willing to do a bad thing you get rewarded.
You clearly have not read my previous posts where I clearly distinguish between the quotidian usage of the word 'theory' and a scientific theory--hence why you continue to exhibit your ignorance about how the scientific method works.
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Pleas do elaborate. Why dose theory mean truth when a scientists says it, and it means guess, when normal people say it.
ps, no offence, I do this purely for my own amusement :lol: :lol: :lol:
Philosophy is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat.
Metaphysics is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there.
Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there and saying, "I found it!"
Science is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat using a fucking flashlight.
:mrgreen:
http://www.quadllc.com/Quadrivium/Blog_and_Articles/Entries/2011/3/15_Prof._Cipollas_theory_on_stupidity.html
Cipolla's theory of stupidity becomes more and more true to me every time I read American news, or hear their presidential candidates talking.
Enra - I've been desperate to ask - is the music better in the future?
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Well that sums up how we got where we are now :evil: Stupid fu#@ing people ''Nothing is more dangerous than stupid people in large groups'' I don't know who said it, But it was probably Prof. Cipolla, or Gorge Carlin :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKN1Q5SjbeI
Since The world has been Islamified in the future, music must be banned, SunTsu. And yes, SeanEE, large groups of stupid people are indeed dangerous! :-D
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Enra Traz wrote: Philosophy is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat.
Metaphysics is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there.
Theology is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that isn't there and saying, "I found it!"
Science is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat using a fucking flashlight.
:mrgreen:
Oh, that's good.. 8-)
her comment seems flawed at first, But technically if you were in a ''Black Black room'' a flash light would still be of no use 8-) But yer, I think you could have worded it a bit better enra :)
What do you mean by "black black"? If there is a room that no light can go through, a flashlight would help you find a black cat.
Exactly! :-D
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Not if the room and cat were both ''BLACK'' :)
We'd still be able to differentiate between the hairy texture of a black cat and a black wall with a torch. The cat would also cast a shadow on the wall. A lit black surface is different from one in darkness because one is bouncing off photons and the other isn't.
Technically ''BLACK BLACK'' should not bounce any photons, ''if I'm right'' a torch would still be useless, And i suppose you could feel a cat, That would what spirituality enlightenment wouldn't it, Calling that cat and hoping it will come to you :lol:
You're right, because "black black" sounds like something you created. In the world of fantasy, all things become possible.
Fantasy, yes. And this sort of fantasy land where impossibilities reign makes up for the lack of imagination on what would actually happen in reality. In a bid to smear science in the context of such analogy (as evoked by Enra), SeanEE tries his damnedest to conjure up the specious argument that a source of light will not shed light on anything and that, ostensibly, the surroundings will just absorb every single photon like a black hole. :-D
It's part of his 'ultimate truth', y'know! :mrgreen:
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Summerlander wrote: Fantasy, yes. And this sort of fantasy land where impossibilities reign makes up for the lack of imagination on what would actually happen in reality. In a bid to smear science in the context of such analogy (as evoked by Enra), SeanEE tries his damnedest to conjure up the specious argument that a source of light will not shed light on anything and that, ostensibly, the surroundings will just absorb everything single photon like a black hole. :-D
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Well, I don't think you understand, Summerlander..
It's two times black!! Don't you see? You're wrong!!
I take it that the cat's eyes are black and non-reflective, too, then ... in SeanEE's universe. :mrgreen:
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Don't get sarcastic here. Sean is right.
You're just too blind to see it (or it's black black where you live).
https://www.asianfoodgrocer.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x800/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/6/1679646-lotte-black-black-gum-xl.jpg
:lol:
What is that? I need a torch! :-D
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It's a Black Black Gum. Best gum in the market. You can see in black black places like light goes through for 5 mins. They say they will make them last for one hour in the future. 8-)
It's made of dark matter. Although we know scientifically that dark matter exists because its effects on normal matter are visible. We cannot use a flashlight for dark matter but we can use the proverbial flashlight. Science has many expedients. :-)
No one specifide that the cat had green eyes, Or that by ''black'' they really meant a dark shade of grey. ;)
Doesn't matter. Even without a torch, the scientist would eventually kick every black surface he saw until the cat--if there is one--squeaked. And even if the cat were dead, kicking it would still feel different to kicking the wall. :mrgreen:
But by your logic, there must be a black cat hiding somewhere and we can assume his existence without proof because something like it might be discovered in the future ... when the people with the flashlights come! :-D
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Exactly, Science, The process of kicking, poking, and exploding stuff until you find something cool, like GMO‘s the unclear bob, and other destructive things with countless unknown consequences. Did you ever hear what Einstein said about nuclear, ''its a hell of a way to boil water'' :shock:
I have no idea why you would think that‘s my logic, After all, Logic doesn't apply to things you havant seen or experienced. There might be a spider that a previous scientist stood on without noticing and is now dead, There might just be a black room to deprive you off all senses to make you go into your own head like in some tribes. ;) Or it could evan be an alien cat, Sent from the past in in an other dimension that is invisible to us but can appear and disappear, By changing its vibration therefor moving from dimension to dimension and time alike 8-) try to find that with a flash light 8-) Do I have to remind you how immature the human race is? only some 2,000 of ''advanced humans''
And I can see your still stuck on using flash lights :roll:
My ultimate truth: some scientist out there overlooked the fact that there is now a SeanE besides a SeanEE; another noticed and concluded that they are both one and the same based on identical levels of intelligence displayed. :mrgreen:
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Summ, your going to have to forgive my ignorance, But I'm sure theres more to your ultimate truth than I realise, Pleas do enlighten me 8-)
My ultimate truth? I can imagine many Earth-like planets, which happen to be within the Goldilocks zone of their solar systems; have appropriate orbits and tilts; and many other factors that render them hospitable to life. These planets didn't necessarily evolve lifeforms identical to the ones found on Earth, and many won't survive in their orbits long enough to evolve biological complexity to the extent that we see on our home planet (if we imagine catastrophic cosmic scenarios, like, for example, their mother stars of a make different from our sun might blow up or turn into black holes).
Many planets will only have microbial life even if they happen to be hospitable Earth-like celestial bodies. But, for the sake of argument, let's say some survive long enough to evolve more complex life. You might get some where only plant life evolved. Others, you might get plants and creatures of the same mental capacity as the irrational animals we have here and no sign of intelligent civilisations. Even rarer, you might get some with humanoid primates, with capabilities no different to that of apes and no serious intellectual development.
We must remember that the majority of hominid species here on Earth went extinct due to natural catastrophes when the planet was still cooling down from its formation and the crust shifting violently. We were the lucky ones. By the time human beings evolved consciousness, it was like waking up from a vague dream to a lucid violent world coming into being before our eyes. This frightened us, and, needless to say, there was no explanation for what was unfolding before us, no Divine Creator saying, 'It's my world in the making.' We'd live no longer then two decades, many of us died of bad teeth, bacterial agents, and many other afflictions that we had no explanation for. It got to the point where we thought powerful invisible agents, such as gods, were angry about the way we behaved and needed to be appeased with sacrifice. But we also paid attention to what was practical in nature, and, needless to say, things got better. We live longer. This is on Earth.
Earth, as a planet that bears evolving life, managed to overcome certain hurdles (Dawkins can go into detail on this) that allowed it to yield intelligent sentient beings such as us. We evolved into something of unprecedented sophistication in terms of evolutionary adaptability and we continue to evolve. These natural hurdles that Earth surmounted are what made other life-friendly planets fail. If Earth is on the third level, many didn't get past the first. Earth could be a needle in a haystack. Life could be rare in the universe. Intelligent life even rarer (and the chances of finding this are quite slim if all we do is look for signs of civilisation that resemble ours). Even rarer, or non-existent, are those planets who managed to get past the 'fourth stage'. (Imagine ultra-advanced aliens with huge heads with flying saucers, imagine what you will.)
Anyway, this is my take based on the chaos that I see around me, the order that sometimes arises by chance and is set in motion, and the absence of intelligent design in nature (there is no evidence for a holy father looking out for us). As Voltaire would quite tellingly say, 'God is not on the side of big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best.' And, just to illustrate how those who claim with absolute certainty that a miracle has taken place are also making the temerarious claim of presupposed completion of knowledge about how reality works, here is an excerpt from Anatole France's Le Jardin d'Epicure (The Garden of Epicurus):
'If an observer of a genuinely scientific spirit were called upon to verify that a man's leg, after amputation, had suddenly grown again as before, whether in a miraculous pool or anywhere else, he would not cry: "Lo! a miracle." He would say this: "An observation, so far unique, points us to a presumption that under conditions still undetermined, the tissues of a human leg have the property of reorganising themselves like a crab's or lobster's claws and a lizard's tail, but much more rapidly. Here we have a fact of nature in apparent contradiction with several other facts of the like sort. The contradiction arises from our ignorance, and clearly shows that the science of animal physiology must be reconstituted, or to speak more accurately, that it has never yet been properly constituted. It is little more than two hundred years since we first had any true conception of the circulation of the blood. It is barely a century since we learned what is implied in the act of breathing.'
By the way, I will soon reply to Enra in The Shocking Truth. ;-)
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I was kind of hoping for a yes or no answer :? term il try again, ''do you believe every thing has a purpose'' meaning, bacteria brake down crap, trees emit oxygen, worms keep the soil healthy, ''what are humans for?'' we must have some propose for being here nature only permits useful things to stay around, and quite frankly we not making much progress as far as helping our mother planet is concerned.
I believe everything has a propose, so whats the point in life, why are we here, and if we are an exception in the you better be useful or get out of the way rule, then surly we should look for some thing useful to do, like live peacefully in eco friendly, state of the art mud huts, and spend out time creating art and growing organic food for our families rather than filling in tax returns. ;)
This is Summerlander ... :mrgreen:
There is no purpose behind what nature does--hence why not everything in nature is useful. Cows, for instance, have a higher carbon emission than humans. In nature, Darwinian evolution dictates that the species that adapt best to their environments are more likely to survive. (Hence what is meant by 'survival of the fittest'.) This does not include goals or purpose; let's not forget that nature has been incredibly wasteful in evolutionary terms: most species that have ever lived on Earth have gone extinct, few survived.
^^Because Earth is so hospitable to life. :mrgreen: