Asking the Gods/Goddesses to Help Me Lucid Dream
So I'm Christian/Pagan. (I know it's a weird mix.) And yesterday I went through a long list of Gods and Goddesses from a multitude of Pantheons, looking for ones associated with a) dreams/visions and b) overcoming obstacles. Then I created a personal prayer, asking for their help, going down the list of Deities one at a time. I asked the ones who are associated with overcoming obstacles to remove any obstacles that might be blocking me from having a lucid dream. I asked the ones associated with dreaming and visions to help me achieve lucidity.
Today, I broke up with my boyfriend. We are still determined to be friends and such. However, he and I have been thinking that it's better if we step back from romance because we just don't seem right for each other in that aspect. But we've been holding off actually breaking up for fear that we were jumping to conclusions. I just think it's interesting that the day after I pray to the Gods to help me remove obstacles that are blocking me from lucid dreaming, that I broke up with my boyfriend.
What do you guys think?
I think it was just a coincidence. Your boyfriend may well have been a distraction when it came to the practice of lucid dreaming, but I don't believe you broke up with him because gods made it happen. Think about the waking life circumstances, your thoughts at the time, your feelings, and the exchange of words between you leading up to the breakup while your memory is still fresh. The real reasons will be found which do not require the hypothesised supernatural influence.
Sorry to contradict your beliefs but I think a dialectic here may convince you to thoroughly assess tangible factors instead of allowing yourself to be quixotically drawn in to the realm of pantheons where Morpheus's powers extend beyond the dream world.
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I'm not saying it happened for completely religious/supernatural reasons. I'm saying that I think the Gods may have given me a slight push in the right direction, is all.
You may have inadvertently, through prayer, connected with your inner self, asking your subconscious to reveal the answers you seek, and make some tough decisions in your life.
That's another possibility is it not?
Whether you believe it's due to external forces from Gods/Godesses, or tapping into your inner psychological archetypes, The Wise Old Man/Great Mother, your main quest is to lucid dream and I wish you success no matter which path you choose, or how you find your goal in the end.
Your own subconscious, holding viable possibilities or having thought processes quite unusual for the conscious mind, could have nudged you in the right direction. The breakup is more plausibly imputed to Jungian archetypes as suggested by Hagart. Keep your credulity in check. Don't let it get out of hand.
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What are the names of the deities you prayed to that night?
Was Morpheus one of them?
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Summerlander wrote: Was Morpheus one of them?
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Do you believe in him, Summerlander?
I'm wondering how exactly one can be both a pagan and a Christian. You do know that the (rather Lovecraftian) deity of the Christian testaments is self-proclaimed to be murderously jealous of humans--it seems that nearly every other book is littered with strangely revealing admonitions to "not worship other gods." I find this particular injunction interesting because it seems to bear the connotative admission that other deities (or man-invented phantasms) do indeed exist; while our modern Christian friends swagger the "revelation," which is that the Triune Godhead is the one true supernatural entity, and that all other gods simply are spurious fabrications.
I suppose you're not a particularly strange case, however. I've met people who say they believe in both Yahweh and Lucifer--but choose to "side" with neither one. It's bemusing to say the least.
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Yeah. I believe in Morpheus. He is the lord of dreams. I pray to him every night in order to have adventurous lucid dreams. But he's been ignoring me lately. :mrgreen:
Here is a pertinent quote:
"Thus we call a belief an illusion when a wish-fulfillment is a prominent factor in its motivation, and in doing so we disregard its relations to reality just as the illusion itself sets no store by verification."
Sigmund Freud; "The Future of an Illusion" 8-)
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I don’t have much knowledge on such things, but…Was your boyfriend interfering in any way with your attempts to have lucid dreams? If yes, then probably has something to do with it.
You should have told him he doesn't know what he's missing. Lucid dreaming is so cool!
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The mind is not different from itself. Language, either logic, like common grammar, or analogic as displayed in lucid dreaming, are derived from the same functional principles.
If you imagine, like many do, that simply being awake is being lucid, then you are mistaken. The practice of lucidity is a constant drive, awake or sleeping.
The human mind is responsible for human behavior, it is wholly linguistic by function. There are two primitive branches of language, both derived from the same definition of a thing, Logic and Analogic. The principles of language are therefore, the only power a mind can know or wield. Therefore, there is only one God, A = A. or the image. If you examine the biology of life, you find that live is made in the image of God, simple causality. Other intelligent life that communicates to mankind are not gods, but the may indeed be servants of God, i.e. rational thought and behavior.
Philosopher8659 wrote: If you imagine, like many do, that simply being awake is being lucid, then you are mistaken. The practice of lucidity is a constant drive, awake or sleeping.
I can't believe you got that far with his post and indeed it is a valid statement, Desert! (Shaun of the Dead flasback where the zombies seem more aware of their surroundings than the human protagonist.) I had switched off after "the mind is not different from itself" because it makes no sense. :-D
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I'm usually the nicest guy in the world, but I have to say it.... I think Philospher8659 is a riddle wrapped in an enema, talking out his ass! Prove me wrong, coherently, and I'll listen because I'm not a fool.
I'm getting tired of being the nice guy and I'll start ripping everyone a new one who talks out their ass.
I tried to redirect him to my off-topic discussion (Time for a Deep Discussion) from a few years ago when we got deep and philosophical, but he avoided it like the plague because it might challenge him. I can spot a fake. BE REAL, and then and ONLY then, can I take you seriously.
It feels good to say the truth and what I think. AND I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.
I want to help though. Forget your Analogic, and Protolinguistic crap. Talk to real humans for once without being condescending and we'll respond with open hearts and minds, and be your closest friends, all trying to figure out what it's like to be 'human' in this crazy reality we live in.
I speak for myself.
I second that. 8-)
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Summerlander wrote: I can't believe you got that far with his post and indeed it is a valid statement, Desert! (Shaun of the Dead flasback where the zombies seem more aware of their surroundings than the human protagonist.) I had switched off after "the mind is not different from itself" because it makes no sense. :-D
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What do you mean by "getting that far with his post"?
Er... it means, you read that much?
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Summerlander wrote: Er... it means, you read that much?
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OK, I thought it was sarcasm because that line is in the beginning of his post.
Which line? :mrgreen:
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The second I think.