[WILD] How EXACLTY Do You Keep Consciousness While Your Body

How EXACLTY Do You Keep Consciousness While Your Body Falls Asleep During WILD?

I read that WILD tutorial 30 times, on that WOLD site, but it doesn't state how exactly to keep your mind conscious... How do you do that? Like exactly, 100%. This is the last thing I need to acknowledge then I'll be ready. :) Then I can actually becomd, a creator. xD Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!

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Good question. I don't know. Maybe it's a revelation to you: YOU DON'T NEED TO WILD. You can lucid dream without the WILD and have plenty of DILDs. (Become lucid within a dream).

That's what I do.

(WILD is the 'holy grail' of lucid dreaming. But it is not the be-all and end-all and DILD's can be very enthralling and cathartic. Don't discredit them).

You always end up in the same place and state of mind either way you get there.

I don't know the answer, but I wonder what others will say.....

HAGART wrote: Good question. I don't know. Maybe it's a revelation to you: YOU DON'T NEED TO WILD. You can lucid dream without the WILD and have plenty of DILDs. (Become lucid within a dream).

That's what I do.

(WILD is the 'holy grail' of lucid dreaming. But it is not the be-all and end-all and DILD's can be very enthralling and cathartic. Don't discredit them).

You always end up in the same place and state of mind either way you get there.

I don't know the answer, but I wonder what others will say.....

It's the technique I choose to do.

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Also: I attempted the WILD tonight, I didn't even see any colours with my eyes closed... Should I try the technique with my eyes opened??? It seems like it'd be easier for me, because I actually saw colours....

Anyway, I closed my eyes, waiting for the dreamlets and colours, so I said "I will stay aware.." and all of a sudden, I wake up, and it's time for school, like nothing happened, I didn't remember seeing colours, or hallucinations, or dreamlets.. But I remembered a dream, about a basketball.

Anyway, screw that, should I try this with my eyes opened? It doesn't distract me, and I think it's easier.

Oh, and I need to know how to stay aware during the transitioning..

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Creator wrote: Also: I attempted the WILD tonight, I didn't even see any colours with my eyes closed... Should I try the technique with my eyes opened??? It seems like it'd be easier for me, because I actually saw colours....

I'm trying WILD as well, as I used to do this as a child but slowly forgotten the technique. I just read about it recently and remembered everything. So here is what I can tell you from my experience as a child.

The colours. In daylight I would just focus on the very middle of my eye-lids. Staring for ages and ages, soon it would come. Then after a long long time of focusing on each blob I would picture floating through a tunnel/portal and then next I opened my eyes and I was dreaming!

I tried this a lot but I am unable of doing this any more. Here is what I do. Try in a very dark room, just shut your eyes and focus. Sometimes just imagining the blobs works! Try not to open your eyes, and remember, it comes in many different forms. Last night I saw lots of patterns!

I am also a person who stays up extremely late :3 This seems to really trigger the colours. I went to sleep at 9 PM last night and it was really hard to concentrate, even go to sleep. When I got to bed at 11 PM -1 AM, I see the colours so much easier. I don't know if the colours of the blobs means anything, but I tend to see Purple all the time.

But any thing you find easy is up to you. Just try your best at doing a WILD!

Creator wrote: How EXACLTY Do You Keep Consciousness While Your Body Falls Asleep During WILD?

I read that WILD tutorial 30 times, on that WOLD site, but it doesn't state how exactly to keep your mind conscious... How do you do that? Like exactly, 100%. This is the last thing I need to acknowledge then I'll be ready. :) Then I can actually becomd, a creator. xD Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!

You can keep your mind conscious and hence keep awareness of who you really are and of the physical reality by going to sleep while keeping your attention upon your physical body (or constantly bringing your attention back to it, checking in with this reality one could say). That way when you do fall asleep, you wont loose your lucidity at all and should smoothly transition straight into the LD. You may even observe yourself as having two bodies at once while the transition is taking place, the physical one and the LD or dream one. It can also cause the senses to be split into two different places while the transition into the LD is taking place too.

A couple of ways to keep focus on the physical body and not "forget" about it, is by observing your breathing as you are going to sleep. I like to do chanting as I go to sleep with the breath, I'll chant with my breath till I are far too tired to do it anymore and at that point will stop and usually go straight into a WILD within minutes (if one didnt fall asleep and go into a WILD while doing it).

HAGART wrote: Good question. I don't know.

This is EXACTLY what I was going to say.

I have been struggling with WILD for more than a week now, determined to have one. Whatever you have to do, I actually did it this morning and went straight from consciousness into a dream, after a lot of effort and failures :( Really, whatever method you use is fine as long as it gets you there. BUT... I also have to say there is no experience comparable to WILD. Yes, it takes an incredible amount of effort for me, brute force, sheer will power, luck of the draw, whatever. It's worth it. No question about that. When it happens, it's worth whatever you did to make it happen. I've had WILDs where it was like walking through a curtain right into the dream while completely conscious. You just can't beat that experience. It really is the HOLY GRAIL of lucid dreaming, I agree with that. There's nothing against other methods, I use them all. I am glad that WILD isn't the only method, just because it is very difficult. And yes, DILD is just fine you get to the same place in the end.

Whenever I WILD it is after a lucid dream and I stay calm and then follow through with it and sometimes the way you get into the dream is far more interesting than what happens afterward. I have many stories in my dream journal, but they are all comparable to everyone else's.

But I still don't do it at will from a fully awake state. Sometimes I try, I get lost in irrational thought, and although I do lose consciousness I tend to become lucid in the dream almost immediately. It's worth trying, but there are some other 'luck factors' involved that escape my understanding. Some days are easier than others for some reason.

But with WILDs you have no need to stablize it, and you have all your sense of self, and other senses of perception without even trying and they are far more vivid aren't they?

HAGART wrote: Whenever I WILD it is by accident and it is most often after a lucid dream and I remain calm and then enter a new one.

I just can't do it at the onset of sleep at night.

I don't think anyone can. For me it usually only happens when the sun has already started coming up."

HAGART wrote: So there is a little luck involved and you have to be in the right frame of mind, which is something I am only in when in a hypnopompic state after sleep and I don't fully awaken.

Yes a lot of luck and a lot of whatever (still trying to figure out what that is)

HAGART wrote: But it certainly leads to the most incredible lucid dreams. You don't even have to try to stablize it, or anything. They are far more realistic and I have all my sense of mind and logical reasoning in them. And in turn my other senses too.

I think the main reason for this is that you are getting into the dream at the very beginning which is a huge advantage. My experience is that the longer the dreams have gone on, the less stable they are. They are only good for a certain amount of time and that's it. "The clock is ticking" as they say.

IF anyone is confused about the quotes not being in my message, I was in the middle of changing my post, thinking I didn't word it right when Lucid In the Sky responded. ( I always read what I write and try to change it, but I should of just left it the way it was).

Anyway, I stand by what I said.

In a DILD I need to reconfirm who I am and 'awaken' my senses including my sense of self identity which can sometimes be lost in the amnesia of dreams. But with a WILD, it's already there from the get go! But exactly HOW I do it is still a mystery which is why I don't coach beginners on the subject. I myself still don't know. But I think experience and brain plasticity is probably the cause. Just like learning to play piano. (Something I don't do and languages aren't my thing and neither are sports... but for some reason.... lucid dreaming comes naturally). (I still get dry spells sometimes, but I still consider myself a lucid dreamer, and I can't explain HOW to do it).

HAGART wrote: IF anyone is confused about the quotes not being in my message, I was in the middle of changing my post, thinking I didn't word it right when Lucid In the Sky responded. ( I always read what I write and try to change it, but I should of just left it the way it was). Anyway, I stand by what I said.

I kind of figured that when I reread your message.

HAGART wrote: In a DILD I need to reconfirm who I am and 'awaken' my senses including my sense of self identity which can sometimes be lost in the amnesia of dreams.

That's not exactly easy either.

HAGART wrote: But with a WILD, it's already there from the get go! But exactly HOW I do it is still a mystery which is why I don't coach beginners on the subject. I myself still don't know. But I think experience and brain plasticity is probably the cause. Just like learning to play piano. (Something I don't do and languages aren't my thing and neither are sports... but for some reason.... lucid dreaming comes naturally). (I still get dry spells sometimes, but I still consider myself a lucid dreamer, and I can't explain HOW to do it).

When I was trying to WILD this morning I was thinking to myself "I can't remember how to do it. How DO you do it? Hmmmm, how did I do it last time?" The answer was "I don't know. I don't think I ever really knew how to do it! Maybe that's why I can't remember! But then, "O.K. Just do it"! The only thing I know is that I was completely determined to succeed, more than times where I failed. I really think it's 90% will power and 10% technique.

HAGART wrote: But with WILDs you have no need to stablize it, and you have all your sense of self, and other senses of perception without even trying and they are far more vivid aren't they?

I find with WILD I need to stabilise those far more as thou I do have my self of self from the start the issue is that I are not stabilised into the dream at first. I often need to *pull *myself into it and there can also be the split senses thing happening to. That's the hardest thing I find about WILD is how much I need to stabilise myself into the dream to be able to keep myself there as at first Im in the WILD so so lightly and still trying to disconnect from my physical body.

but for me, when I have a LD from a dream (wake up lucid during a dream) in those I dont tend to need to stabilise at all as Im already in the dream deeply.

As to WILDs being more vivid, I often dont find that the case at first when I first enter into one, my deep LDs are usuallly very vivid... ........................

In response to another comment here. I find I can do WILDs at any time of the day or night. But as HAGART said, sometimes its harder then other times, there are lots of factors which come into play here from ones level of tiredness .. too tired I sometimes find bad for WILD, to quite possibly what stage the moon is in (just before a full moon I find WILD easier to do, a month ago right before the full moon, I had three I think it was 3 nights straight, very easily).

lucidinthe sky wrote:

When I was trying to WILD this morning I was thinking to myself "I can't remember how to do it. How DO you do it? Hmmmm, how did I do it last time?" The answer was "I don't know. I don't think I ever really knew how to do it! Maybe that's why I can't remember! But then, "O.K. Just do it"! The only thing I know is that I was completely determined to succeed, more than times where I failed. I really think it's 90% will power and 10% technique.

Ive found the more Ive done it, the more Ive learnt about the technique and Im getting better and better at pulling myself into a LD once I get to the right state, its really a lot about mental state and learning what that state you need is and just how to take your brain there.

Sometimes one just thou does find oneself getting into another just as deep state instead (I find if Ive gone into the astral projection state, I cant lucid dream easily from there (as the OBE state I find is refreshing and energising to me, is stimulating, so instead of my brain shutting down some, it gains more awareness) so only can OBE at that point.. maybe this is happening to others too but they arent realising it? ). For an OBE one doesnt need ones subconciousness to be letting go and one can be hyperalert or not close to subconscious drifting (dreaming).

Sometimes the dreaming comes naturally but other times OBE is more natural for my body. Things are not always the same.

Im finding the getting into these states, to be just as interesting as once one is in there, Im learning new things even with the failed experiences.

I shared on another post but I'll share it here too. 2-3 nights ago I was trying to LD and thou I'd been heading to that state and could feel the shift into it started to come in (I wasnt there but could feel I was heading on the right track for it), something thou in my brain then had switched and that oncoming state (its a different state of consciousness) had dropped out and instead in a different brain state, I went into hyperaware, very awake mode thou I could hardly feel my body on the bed still.

I kept trying to LD in this very awake/aware state (but body itself as relaxed as possibly could be) but after an hour could see I was never going to LD in that state (I was getting very occassional dream snippet for brief moments but they just wouldnt progress.. no more meaning then extremely brief daydreams one gets doing the day when up and awake and they were coming in few and far between, no progress. I was getting no closer at all to an LD). I thou knew I was in the correct state for an OBE with being relaxed enough for it, so decided at that point to try that (rather then trying to let go and fall into a WILD dream).

I spent 10 mins trying to get out of body without luck so thought I'd try something to loosen my astral body instead, so tried to cartwheel in my body. That worked and I cartwheeled, my astral head was at my physical feet and visa versa. I stupidly continued doing the cartwheel till my astral body was lined up with my physical body again and my astral body then locked back into place (I gave up at that point as I'd been at things for 90mins but I did learn a lot from the above experience)...

1/ From an OBE state, I find it very hard to LD from that state cause Im energised in that state and have increased awareness. Its far better for me if Im in an OBE state to stop trying to LD eg to stop trying to relax into a dream and instead try to astrally project myself out. 2/ I should of gone in the direction my head was in once my head was where my feet was visa versa, to project myself away from my body rather then continue a cartwheel which caused me to be lined up with my physical body again

anyway.. failures can be just as interesting as the successes. Each one builds me up to know what I should and shouldnt do and how to go about things better.

Creator wrote: It's the technique I choose to do.

You can choose a technique, but that doesn't mean it'll work. WILD is one of the hardest techniques to pull off. If you really can't get it to work, I suggest another method.

Teraku wrote:

Creator wrote:It's the technique I choose to do.

You can choose a technique, but that doesn't mean it'll work. WILD is one of the hardest techniques to pull off. If you really can't get it to work, I suggest another method.

I dont think its the hardest technique for "everyone". Some have more luck with WILD then they have had with other techniques. Just cause you may find it hard may not necessarily mean another will find it to be the hardest.

If one goes into any technique thinking its the "hardest" , that will affect what you are trying to do eg make a person give up quicker or not believe they can do it in the first place, so may stop them from being able to do.

When I want much more control of my dreams, I make myself sleep when I'm not feeling tired. For me it only takes about two or three minutes if it's quiet.

1. I lay on my back with my head tilted up and back to the left, as to clear my breathing passage as much as possible with my throat relaxed.

2. I make a conscious placement of the position of my arms and legs for my nap. Sometimes it's good to have your legs off the end of your bed, if you're comfortable in doing that. It makes me feel more grounded in place and gives a feeling of existence in the dream... I think.

3. I listen to my breathing

4. I think about sleep and dreaming of whatever I want to dream about, or a question I want an answer to. If I'm alone I might even say out loud once or twice, my intentions for my dream.

5. And usually I watch the residual light behind my eyelids as it rotates counter-clockwise (or which ever direction is comfortable for you)

Oh another thing. You know that feeling you get in the back of your throat/neck right before a yawn? I don't know if it makes a difference, but I sometimes induce that feeling every few inward breaths without yawning, while listening to my breathing.

My first LD was a WILD totally on accident. I woke up with colicky stomach pain because of my ulcerative colitis. I remained up for about 40 minutes before I felt well enough to go back to bed but I was still in pain. I guess that probably kept my consciousness awake and that goes hand in hand with the focus on your body thing.

I feel sorry for your chronic condition. But I think you're on to something. Awareness of body as you drift to sleep tends to work. You stay grounded in reality a slight bit and remember who you are when you dream. That is the key.

I hope you get better and/or it's not every night you get this.

HAGART wrote: I feel sorry for your chronic condition. But I think you're on to something. Awareness of body as you drift to sleep tends to work. You stay grounded in reality a slight bit and remember who you are when you dream. That is the key.

I hope you get better and/or it's not every night you get this.

Nah only during bad flares is it common for me to wake up at night. Otherwise it's unusual. As for getting better I've tried a lot of dietary changes with mixed results but there's still a lot more to try too :)

I have tried wild before as every other method seems to fail with me. It was in the morning, right after I had woken up, and I wanted to go back to sleep but rmembered the WILD proccess. So I tried it; closed my eyes, tried to enter the dream state ( which seemed really easy at first) and then, suddenly, I feel my heart accelerate. I try to stay calm and go bock into the dream mode but just as I start to re-enter my heart pounds so hard it hurts. nearly 200 bpms I guessed. I felt like I was having a heart attack, which is scary because I am only 15.

So I almost succeded but failed. And I tried this multiple times, and it is always easiest in the morning right after you start to awaken.

But I always get this explosive pain in my heart. Why?

I'm not sure, but I think that might be the body checking to see if the brain is asleep. This check can hurt, but you got to ignore it. At least, that is what I read.

Oh gee, how nice of you, Brain to check if my body is asleep. it could potentiality kill us, but the thought was nice.

Lol okay so next time I'll try to ignore, and as of last night I just figured out that I have more to contend with than this "are you sleeping" test. XD

The palpitations are normal because the amygdala activates and adrenaline starts pumping, which is often accompanied by fight-or-flight sensations. Strong emotions such as irrational fear during such state often can't be helped. You may experience panic but it is all comon and normal.

The pain, however, isn't. But are you sure it's pain or are you mistaking a different sensation for it. Your thoughts that you may be having a heart attack

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(sorry, my phone is a bitch)

...could be psychosomatic. Whatever the case, if you suspect that the "pain" is due to a physiological disorder, get your heart checked.

By the way,the sweat and the body temperature change is normal too. Don't go all hypochondriac on us now. :-D

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Summerlander wrote:

The pain, however, isn't. But are you sure it's pain or are you mistaking a different sensation for it. Your thoughts that you may be having a heart attack

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I'm not really sure, I guess it is not pain but it feels similar... kinda like how your legs start to "hurt" while you are running really fast, that's how it feels. The exercising kind of pain I think.

I tried WILD again last night and my heart accelerated when I tried it, but I think I had it more under control this time, only thing is I experienced other things that I had no idea how to deal with. You can read more about it on my post "First Real Lucid Dream (and closest WILD attempt).

Okay, just read your second post, It could be psychosomatic, seeing that WILD just seems so unearthly to me. I still don't have my whole head wrapped around it. So I'll try not to freak out tonight, and let you guys know how it goes.

Seeing that I am not dead by tomorrow morning. Then you guys wouldn't know nothing.

See you tomorrow.... perhaps... Epic lightning and loud thunder

I don't think you'll die. Try again and see what happens. Sleep well, for about six hours, then wake up but don't stay up for long.

When you go back to bed you should find it easier to relax and don't become so concerned with when the shift into the desired state of mind will come.

I'm going to read about your lucid dream and I'll get back to you. By the way, have you tried getting a full night sleep and applying the separation method as soon as you wake up? You nail this and you're the don!

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Summerlander wrote: I'm going to read about your lucid dream and I'll get back to you. By the way, have you tried getting a full night sleep and applying the separation method as soon as you wake up? You nail this and you're the don!

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I tired that this morning but by the time I wake up I can't do this because either 1, my Dad never sleeps and is constantly watching videos on his phone, 2, everybody is awake and make me get up to take care of goats and chickens and dogs. (Yeah, I live on a farm, and it sucks)

taniaaust1 wrote: Ive found the more Ive done it, the more Ive learnt about the technique and Im getting better and better at pulling myself into a LD once I get to the right state, its really a lot about mental state and learning what that state you need is and just how to take your brain there.

Had a few recent successes with WILD and I'm learning that above statement is the key.

When it comes to WILD, being in the right state to me is the key for success. The main difference between my successful WILDs and failures is the mental state I'm in, not how much effort I put into it. If you are in the right state, it's easy. The trick is getting to that state. You must make sure the door is open before you can enter the dream.

The steps are: 1.Get into the right state. 2. Recognize that you are in the right state. 3. Enter the dream.

I'm unable to locate your WILD post, Kungfupanther, can you link me to it or give me instructions to find it? Thanks, bud.

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Here you go Summerlander: http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13950

I read it. It turns out to have been a DILD. If you really want to nail the WILD or even the separation from the body technique, I can coach you. In sleep paralysis, try a method of separation. If strange sounds, vibrations, or images arise, be sure to amplify them then separate at their peak. Just go for it. Don't leave it too long and don't be so concerned with how it's going to feel. Just separate from the perceived sleeping body.

You may be leaving it for too long, passing up many opportunities, and then it gets to the point where the window to the lucid dream state has become so narrow that it is practically impossible to induce it from the waking standpoint. Adrenaline pumps as the brain reinforces its connections with the sensory organs, countervailing your lucid dream inducement. You get bored, tired, a little paralysis or numbness may panic you, and all these factors may contribute to your palpitations, sweat, and temperature.

You need to relax. Instead of waking up from sleep, staying active, and then going down to try the method immediately, do the following instead (to begin with):

1. Sleep for 6 hours
2. Stay up for about 15 minutes (Read about lucid dreaming, it helps)
3. Return to bed and FALL ASLEEP again (you didn't see this coming) and do it with intention to have a lucid dream.
4. Catch an awakening and separate immediately (do it without thinking about it, just move and don't worry about moving physically, move the phantom body)
5. If separation fails, relax and start cycling through techniques (i.e. if images arise watch them like a panorama and do not examine details at this stage or they will vanish - you may be engulfed by vivid dream scenery or jump into it whilst lucid; if sounds arise, amplify them; if vibrations arise, amplify them). 6)Spend about 5 seconds on each technique, eg. visualisation, listening in, phantom wiggling... - whichever starts to wield results, stick with it and amplify. Four cycles of three different techniques is enough and should take you no longer than a minute. Once a sensation is amplified...
6. Attempt to separate again. If you fail and it's been more than a minute, FALL ASLEEP with intention again. Catch the next awakening in order to separate immediately.

If you nail separation as soon as you wake up, you save yourself having to faff with techniques. You should only resort to cycling through techniques once separation has failed. Separation comes first. Bear in mind that if you fall asleep, you may become lucid while dreaming - in which case, there is no need to return to the body in order to separate, the desired state has already been achieved (albeit via the DILD method).

Good luck! :P

Here's how I do it, specifically as possible. I simply wait and focus entirely on the dream I want to have. I visualize myself in the dream, lucid and moving, looking around. I find that as I do this I naturally fall asleep and into the dream. Eventually, after vibration/ hypnagogic flying over scenery, I will see a dreamscape ahead of me and I will see myself in it. Then I just sort of imagine myself seeing from the perspective of the dream me ahead, and usually I sort of zoom in and I am lucid, in a vivid dreamscape.

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Wow! I can't believe this has 4 pages.

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