The hypnagogia
Hey guys!
So I am trying this total relaxation technique from rebecca's 10 steps to LD. She sais: "get total relaxation by relaxing each body part" then step 2 is to see patterns and stuff.
I relax each body part and when I am done I feel pretty relaxed. But that is it. I get no hypnagogia. Once when I did it the relaxation, I felt someone was turning my around in my bed with 100miles/hour . I ignored it for a few seconds then I cancelled the relaxation and it stopped. What do I do wrong? I also can't listen to mp3 music at night.
thanks already
Hypnagogia occurs at the onset of sleep-so you have to basically be at the point of relaxation where you are nearly asleep. try maybe combining your relaxation with meditation when you're going to sleep?
Not everyone gets hypnagogia. If you are one of those people it doesnt at all mean that you cant LD as many of us still do.
If one technique doesnt work for you after giving it a good go, then try another. Dont get discouraged.
taniaaust1 wrote: Not everyone gets hypnagogia. If you are one of those people it doesnt at all mean that you cant LD as many of us still do.
If one technique doesnt work for you after giving it a good go, then try another. Dont get discouraged.
Could you explain this for me real quick? So a couple of weeks ago I was trying a WILD after waking up pretty early in the morning. I went into paralysis and started seeing a bunch of vibrant colors. This keeps going on for a long time. I hear an auditory hallucination and then I lose consciousness and wake up in the morning.
So was that hypnagogia, or a dream?
taniaaust1 wrote: Not everyone gets hypnagogia.
This is a good point-I don't experience hypnagogia very often myself.
And that sounds like hypnagogia to me Xtreme-walrus!
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Xtreme_Walrus wrote: Could you explain this for me real quick? So a couple of weeks ago I was trying a WILD after waking up pretty early in the morning. I went into paralysis and started seeing a bunch of vibrant colors. This keeps going on for a long time. I hear an auditory hallucination and then I lose consciousness and wake up in the morning.
So was that hypnagogia, or a dream?
Hypnagogia. That can sometimes be turned into a dream esp when one starts getting the auditory hallucinations. If its voices you start to hear, in your head try to talk back to them.
taniaaust1 wrote:
Xtreme_Walrus wrote: Could you explain this for me real quick? So a couple of weeks ago I was trying a WILD after waking up pretty early in the morning. I went into paralysis and started seeing a bunch of vibrant colors. This keeps going on for a long time. I hear an auditory hallucination and then I lose consciousness and wake up in the morning.
So was that hypnagogia, or a dream?
Hypnagogia. That can sometimes be turned into a dream esp when one starts getting the auditory hallucinations. If its voices you start to hear, in your head try to talk back to them.
Well actually the auditory hallucination was the sound of a brick smashing on the floor next to me, jolting me awake. It was quite the experience haha.
The few times I tried, I was easily able to enter hynagogia within minutes is by allowing my body to feel so light and floaty to the point its almost "uncomfortable". as I feel floaty, I feel (not think) about being close to the top of the room- no expectations. With my eyes closed, this is when I see the goemetric shapes forming (my eyes closed) after that music, and after that my minds eye opens and Im in a dream. I skip the relaxing every part of my body and jump right in to feeling as floaty and light as I can. Hope this helps you too!
I know how you feel. I can't get any hypnagogia... :cry:
Xtreme_Walrus wrote:
taniaaust1 wrote:Xtreme_Walrus wrote: Could you explain this for me real quick? So a couple of weeks ago I was trying a WILD after waking up pretty early in the morning. I went into paralysis and started seeing a bunch of vibrant colors. This keeps going on for a long time. I hear an auditory hallucination and then I lose consciousness and wake up in the morning.
So was that hypnagogia, or a dream?
Hypnagogia. That can sometimes be turned into a dream esp when one starts getting the auditory hallucinations. If its voices you start to hear, in your head try to talk back to them.
Well actually the auditory hallucination was the sound of a brick smashing on the floor next to me, jolting me awake. It was quite the experience haha.
On the rare occassions I get it, I use hypnagogia be it audio or whatever to help get me into a dream. If I heard a brick smashing on the floor I would of focused on trying to go and see the smashed brick by just thinking about myself doing that as if I was doing so or mentally calling out, did anyone throw a brick?
I myself try to engage with any subconscious stuff coming in to help take myself into the LD.. while others do the opposite. So experiment with these things.
With regard to the auditory hallucinations, can anyone clarify the difference between auditory hypnagogia and the so-called exploding head syndrome? Are they the same things, or a matter of degree with regard to the quality and loudness of the sound?
All my childhood classic sleep paralysis experiences (the super-scary ones where I can't move or breathe) were accompanied by a buzzing sound, which was more or less the same but differed in volume and "evilness"/intensity based on how scary it was.
My most recent lucid/SP experiences have not produced buzzing, but there was audio. In one, I dreampt that I was falling asleep on the floor and drool started coming out the side of my mouth (when I woke up, I remembered this magic drool as being my unique personal way to become lucid from years ago), and although there was no fear, I felt myself getting heavier or tingly, but I did not really try to stuggle. I could hear very faintly in the background this combination of a whistle and a hum, as when someone hums a note in their throat while whistling with their lips. It was fascinating but I couldn't take it to another level.
The one from two nights ago was stranger and scarier. My drool dream came earlier in the night, where I dreamed once again that I was trying to fall asleep, but did so with my face on my laptop keyboard. I get so cozy, and then I drool. I worried that it would ruin the keyboard so I sat up and wiped my lip: no drool (this was still in the dream, so I missed an opportunity for lucidity!). Then I reversed my sleeping position so my head went where my feet normally go. Again, I was SO comfy, but instead of drool or any sounds, I - don't laugh - started to smell very faintly stinky feet, realizing that my face was buried in the mattress where my feet usually go. This I found slightly disturbing so opened my eyes - in my dream - and observed long black hair woven/tangled in the sheet fabric.
The sound came later. I was awake in my dream, worried about not sleeping and that I would just deal with sleep deprivation and any hallucinations. That led directly to a dream where I had to stand on my toes (with some effort and difficulty) to see my reflection in a mirror that was high on a wall. The reflection of my face was a bizarre troll-creature looking blankly back at me. I wasn't exactly scared, but this imaged seemed to trigger the sound of a low soft growling or groaning. Hard to describe but something like if you can imagine someone dying and groaning for breath while choking / gurgling on their own blood. Not threatening but bizarre! The sound, in turn, triggered an automatic state of panic where I wanted to suddenly be AWAKE but was prevented from doing so by some "force" holding me, trapping me in a "stuck" state of sleep, feeling helpless and gasping for a breath of air (while hearing THAT SOUND) until I snapped out of it with a real gasp of air as I jolted awake in relief. And it only lasted 2-3 seconds. Not long enough for it to be an epic battle for survival, complete with total limb paralysis, attempting to scream for help, and feeling a weight on my chest or like I was sinking or being sucked into my bed.
So, there was the auditory hallucination, but not buzzing. I wonder what factors have changed the quality of the sound so much since I last had this happen?
Summerlander wrote: Your mistake was ignoring the sensation that someone was turning your bed at a hundred miles per hour. You should have gone with that sensation and attempted a perceived separation from the body.
nods at what Summerlander said.
I've been noticing that a lot here, people getting into the right kind of state but then not succeeding to have a good LD, so thinking they failed when they haven't built on the state. (its making it all the more a hit or miss kind of thing). People getting stuck on the in between or HI state.
Yep. Especially when they have expectations as to what the hypnagogic or hypnopompic states should be like. Sometimes they even aim for vibrations erroneously believing that they are required for success.
To all the newbies out there: any strange sensation--be that vibrations, sounds, images or an amalgamation of all--will do! Amplify whatever oddity you are experiencing and then separate from the perceived body stencil. I either roll over and "out" or I just get out of bed to find that I have moved incorporeally despite the realism.
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link: http://dreamstudies.org/2010/12/10/hypnagogic-dreams-and-imagery/