is this the right way to do a WILD?

When trying to do a WILD, I can't really focus on my eyelids, so I tried just visualizing the dream scene from the start. I'm getting better, and I'm at the point where my body feels heavy then I can't feel it anymore, but I can't really "pop" into the dream. My real question is, is it my technique or me that is keeping me from getting s WILD?

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The technique is fine. It's what I call a Mental Rundown.

It's probably just you... you're probably not "allowing" yourself to move into the scene. Just keep focusing all of your attention towards the scene. Put all of your senses into it. :)

The more you do that, while ignoring the physical reality... the greater chance you'll shift.

this happens to me too. are there other techniques for wild that i have not heard about? the only one ive heard is the eyelid one.

Lucid Dreamer wrote: this happens to me too. are there other techniques for wild that i have not heard about? the only one ive heard is the eyelid one.

You can use ANY meditation technique in order to initiate a WILD.

oh! can yout ell me a few? or maybe give me a link the the page here that explains about it?

You can read my free eBook if you wish. I have a few methods in it.

You can download it from the link at the top of the following page: http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/xanths-phasing-primer/

Don't worry about it - the main point of a WILD is to maintain your focus as you fall asleep. Relax, stop asking yourself if you're doing it right. As long as you're focusing on one thing as you sleep and letting yourself remain aware, you're doing it right. Keep it up and you'll soon find the right level of effort to keep yourself aware until the dream appears. Also, no pressure to "pop" in as soon as the dream appears. Let the world become real as much as possible and your mind will out of the logic that pertains to the assumption that you have a body make it really easy to "pop" in. You'll know when the time is right. Keep it up =D

alppdcjr12 wrote: Don't worry about it - the main point of a WILD is to maintain your focus as you fall asleep. Relax, stop asking yourself if you're doing it right. As long as you're focusing on one thing as you sleep and letting yourself remain aware, you're doing it right. Keep it up and you'll soon find the right level of effort to keep yourself aware until the dream appears. Also, no pressure to "pop" in as soon as the dream appears. Let the world become real as much as possible and your mind will out of the logic that pertains to the assumption that you have a body make it really easy to "pop" in. You'll know when the time is right. Keep it up =D

I disagree. I can lay in bed and be completely calm, stoic, focused and relaxed while I observe and feel up to 10 minutes of fluctuating vibrations and dream scenes, repeating a mantra as simple as "Mind Awake, Body Asleep" and eventually everything will just stop and I will do a RC and NOPE still awake. It is my belief, based on my attempts, that there is a point where you have to initiate some kind of intense focus and desire to insert your mind into the dream. I have tried to passive observing method and I am struggling with it heavily.

Let me start by saying there is no "right" or "wrong" way to do WILD. Of course there are basic things you need to do, we know that.

For me, being relaxed is critical to success. There is definitely a certain amount of focus required, but it's deeper than the kind of focus you use for other activities. I don't know how else to explain that part of it. For me, it's like being on the rope swing at a lake where you swing out over the water and let go at the right point. You definitely have to hold on tightly to the rope, but then you must let go. And of course timing is everything. My failures fall into 2 categories: letting go to soon or holding on too tightly and not letting go. The first type of failure is better and I try to err on that side because at least I get a good night sleep. Trying too hard and holding on too tightly results in a night of half-sleep and you wake up feeling like crap. Anyway that's my 2 cents.

Honestly I feel like I might have a lot more control over these processes than most people.... I don't even categories of failure or repercussions like a bad night sleep. I get to one point and it either works or doesn't. So far, I've only come close, not quite succeeded. I only have one more hurdle until I have it solid though.

I'm struggling with this as well. I have had very intense vivid DILD's where I remember to do reality checks, talk to DC's, fly, etc. I meditate every day and have great experiences with that. I have a very strong imagination and can create visualizations that I experience with all of my senses (I'm on a beach and physically see everything, feel the wind in my hair and the water, taste the saltwater, smell all of those beachy smells, etc.) I am able to completely become immersed in my dream world...but I have never popped in and had a WILD. So....I'm pretty frustrated. I just don't know what else I could be doing.

I have a very strong imagination and can create visualizations that I experience with all of my senses

This wont help you with a WILD as least I dont think it will and no doubt someone will have a different opinion.

In a WILD you are trying to get part of your mind to go to sleep and part of you mind to stay awake. It is that simple and that is all you are trying to do. At the instant of sleep you need to maintain awareness of the fact and keep part of you mind awake. To do this I relax and start to drift off, I will normally put my awareness to a part of my body that is active for some reason, say a warm spot on my leg or a tight muscle, anything that comes to my attention and then when I feel I need to I will move to another spot, I will also from time to time look at my eyelids or look into the darkness and see what is there.

All this does is start to break connections with the external senses and begin the journey inwards. At some point I may fall into sleep and it will normally be an instant and I will snap out, it helps if you are slightly raised on a pillow and if you do go to sleep your head will move and wake you up. Doing it this way will get you asleep and then wake up in an instant. Now you can lay down on your back or side and start to drift into sleep, as you do or as I do I will now be looking at my eyelids and seeing the darkness there some spots of light will appear, I just observe them and they may form into images or may not, there is a point where you will fall asleep and if lucky will also be aware of this. Well done you have just had your first WILD. WILD is and entry technique and it is simply falling asleep while staying aware or partly awake. You need skills to maintain the lucid state.

sometimes this is so easy its silly and sometimes it just eludes you, dont sweat it just keep at it.

There are also the many times where I am asleep and aware and dont know, just lying there in bed and not knowing I am asleep so I am lucid as in aware but did not get it. Its like a false awakening but I didnt go to sleep first so its a WILW (wake induced lucid awakening) Odd but true

Wow, thanks for that Peter...very helpful. I was basing the technique solely on what is described on this website where you begin by manipulating those swirly flourescent light patterns on the back of your eyelids into objects, then you build a dreamscape and make it as real as possible, then "pop" in. I've never been able to manipulate those swirly lights (sometimes they form into something on their own but only for a moment) so I just created dreamscapes using visualizations in my mind's eye and hoped that I would just "pop" into the dream once my body was asleep.

I'm definitely going to try what you described. Thanks!