ORPHYX

Why are they scared of me finding out?

Started Jan 9, 2012, 05:50 AM • 17 posts
on Jan 9, 2012, 05:50 AM
#1

I had a dream I was in a limmo. When I learned I was dreaming because I saw someone who I knew was dead in reality, my driver tried to convince me that this was reality. He said something like "She can't be dead because she is right here. Since she isn't dead, her being here is reality". I still remained lucid, but I wonder why my driver tried to fool me. Is he afraid of the exposure of his "world"? Do all dream characters act like this? What happens if they are Angry? will they gang up and convince me it is reality and then make a nightmare to get revenge? I'm afraid to take one step further.

on Jan 10, 2012, 01:46 AM
#2

I never had an argument with another dream character about the reality of dream before. It sounds awesome! I wouldn't worry about taking it a step further. I think you're going to have to, anyway if you want to develop your lucid dreaming skills. Nightmares are just part of the territory.

on Jan 11, 2012, 12:00 AM
#3

I guess I'll suck it up and face it like a man then. I think I'll do it during sun-up though.

on Jan 11, 2012, 03:47 AM
#4

Atta Boy, Chronos. SOme of my most favorite dreams are the nightmares. I mean, when else do you get to fight demons and stuff?

on Jan 11, 2012, 05:01 AM
#5

I'm curious about lucid nightmares. Please explain. And it's not the "shadow guy that appears during a false awakening" with sleep paralysis, 'cause I dealt with that dude. A lucid nightmare sounds much worse!

Anyway, I have had an argument about the fact that I was lucid dreaming with someone in my dream before. But I never conjured or summoned them in the first place, so it didn't matter to me. I just wished I had more balls to tell them straight to their face what was going on. However, I have had people appear in lucid dreams that I don't want to be there. As if they summoned themselves. Once, I remember, and I don't want to get into specifics, but when lucid, you are in control. Then this one guy shows up, and try as much as I can... **HE** has taken over. I was able to wake up, actually it was a false awakening which I get a lot. But I still wouldn't call it a nightmare. I've had nightmares before, which upon awakening always seem irrational, but the FEAR WAS SO REAL! But I never had a lucid nightmare, nor do I ever want to, but I would like to hear more about it. I am curious.
on Jan 11, 2012, 06:43 AM
#6

if a dream charactor is trying to tell you that its not a dream or its his/her dream put your hand gently through its head and show that the charactor it is in your dream. Its shuts them up and they look so sad and they cannot do this to you

on Jan 12, 2012, 02:24 AM
#7

So they don't get upset once the argument is settled?

on Jan 12, 2012, 02:49 AM
#8

I have lucid nightmares rather frequently. As long as I have been having lucid dreams, I rarely am able to control anything about them...at least it's unusual if I do have some sort of control. However, it is my belief (in at least some cases) that we really are somewhere "over there" for lack of a better phase, when we are alseep "over here" (normal waking reality as we understand it vs. reality as we think it is whilst dreaming), which stands to reason, that if such places exist independently of ourselves, than of course we wouldn't have control of their content.

HAGART wrote: I'm curious about lucid nightmares. Please explain. And it's not the "shadow guy that appears during a false awakening" with sleep paralysis, 'cause I dealt with that dude. A lucid nightmare sounds much worse!

Anyway, I have had an argument about the fact that I was lucid dreaming with someone in my dream before. But I never conjured or summoned them in the first place, so it didn't matter to me. I just wished I had more balls to tell them straight to their face what was going on. However, I have had people appear in lucid dreams that I don't want to be there. As if they summoned themselves. Once, I remember, and I don't want to get into specifics, but when lucid, you are in control. Then this one guy shows up, and try as much as I can... **HE** has taken over. I was able to wake up, actually it was a false awakening which I get a lot. But I still wouldn't call it a nightmare. I've had nightmares before, which upon awakening always seem irrational, but the FEAR WAS SO REAL! But I never had a lucid nightmare, nor do I ever want to, but I would like to hear more about it. I am curious.
on Jan 12, 2012, 03:02 PM
#9

Goeymaw, I have the opposite opinion that dreams are dreams and that dreamworlds are purely imaginary. One will always have lucid nightmares when doing WILDs as one has an alternation of dreams and nightmares every night one goes through the full sleep process. Nightmares are fun except for the emotionally intense ones. Unfortunately when first habitually lucid dreaming one has the emotional control of a small child and has to deal with emotions including terror that are stronger than the waking ones. With time emotion becomes tamer and rarer, but the ultra terror can still happen.

on Jan 12, 2012, 08:11 PM
#10

Snaggle - the terror goes as you say and the nightmares become new ways to break barriers but from time to time I get the most dreadful feelings in a dream. The nightmares have gone from facing off something to feelings that seem to invade your mind and body. Again they are to be faced and I have had the most intense experiances when allowing or surendering to these forces.

As for dream charactors getting angry - no. I think at that level you have created them and its a self test of you role in the dream. They just seem to be sad that they are not real - wouldnt you be the same way. IF they get angry give them a cuddle and they will be fine

on Jan 12, 2012, 10:49 PM
#11

Snaggle wrote: One will always have lucid nightmares when doing WILDs as one has an alternation of dreams and nightmares every night one goes through the full sleep process

Snaggle:

I've read some other posts of yours, and I get the impression that you have a Wake Induced Lucid Dream, from the very start of the sleep process and are conscious the whole way through. At least, for 2 years if I remember correctly. I don't know for sure, but that is what I gathered. Forgive and inform me if I am wrong. And that after a night like that, you were not as 'rested'. For me, I have never had a lucid dream at the onset of sleep. I have always gone to sleep for several hours first, (what I am finding out now is called, 'restorative' sleep, which is a good name for it), and then I have a bunch of dreams, some lucid. During the first sleep period I sometimes toss and turn, and wake up with the feeling that something will never be resolved. I never remember what, but it is always a tug 'o war between two things. And when I wake up, i can't remember exactly what the dilemma was. I have a theory about this phase, but that should be a new topic. But if I was lucid and aware during it, I would find in unnerving. It would be a nightmare. I had some night terrors as a child and they always happened in this phase. Is it possible that being lucid during the 'restorative' sleep phase can become a nightmare with in it, or perhaps later because the process didn't fully 'sort the brain out'? ('the brain sorting phase' - i think I've heard that term) **Or I have no idea what I am talking about.... I don't care, but want to hear your thoughts, and others, about it.** I am curious, so I question.
on Jan 12, 2012, 11:24 PM
#12

I can WILD on going to bed at night in the first sleep phase, in the early hours and sometimes in the after noon as well. I also have dry times when I just cant so its not a given at any time that I will WILD, DILD, OBE or even recall a dream.

What used to be a nightmare on going to sleep in now just a part of the process and not always there anyway (SP) The dreams themselves are good, bad, happy and warm and terrifing at times. But all this is in differant ways as the years go on. We are all differant and will deal with beliefs and bad dreams in differant ways. I personally like them as in hindsight they teach me and each time I move past a nightmare or some type I am further into the ream that I am exporing

on Jan 13, 2012, 02:48 AM
#13

Peter wrote: What used to be a nightmare on going to sleep in now just a part of the process and not always there anyway (SP)

Does (SP) = Sleep Paralysis? Because I am well acquainted with that. And I have never felt so much fear in my life, especially when 'the shadow at the foot of my bed' started to touch me with it's tendrils. I'm gonna write about it in a different topic. But long story short, I knew it was just fear incarnate and it was a hallucination and the only way to conquer it was to love and befriend it. When I finally did, (after a few sleepless nights with a night light on), I never felt so much love! That's a **really** short story of it... And now, I am accustomed to it and don't wake up. The buzzing sound, vibrations, ringing in the ears, sometimes it feels like a person just sat in bed with you, the sinking feeling, bed sheets getting pulled off, bed sheets 'shrink wrapping", an entity just sat on you, someone banging on the door of my room... Whenever I woke up during that, it was a false awakening and I was in bed, unable to move with 'the shadow". Now, I let it happen without getting spooked and waking up. So far it has led to a few successful lucid dreams and a few duds. But the successful dreams were a bit different than other lucid dreams that I get when in a dream and have the 'ahah' moment. There was more detail, more sense of 'being there', the colors seemed more real, not hyper-colored, but like the light we see in our waking lives, and the vast scope of the 'world' was greater. I wonder if they are WILDs. Although not **wake induced**, I was **almost awake** from a previous lucid dream. They always happened after a lucid dream when I just sit and wait and refuse to wake up. I feel like I need a way to end this message, but I don't have one. So this is it! :ugeek:
on Jan 13, 2012, 03:20 AM
#14

I had all of the above and years before I had the net so used to struggle out of it and try to smash whatever it was, when that didnt work I used to sleep withut bedsheets to show that I was not scared (I was really scared but need to do these things) it was worse uncovered and I suspect that the cooler you are the more likely you will be to experiance SP (yes sleep paralysis)

It was years before I got over it and not sometimes I get SP as part of an WILD entry, I also suspect that some of the terrors in a LD that are more feelings of be pulled to bits from the inside are SP within the dream and again am past that one as well. Even with years of experiance there are times when I think WTF just happened and wake up in a panic of sweat, then I am sad at the missed opp to extend my understanding of the dream world.

As for WILD DILD I think to much time is spent on what is better or considered best etc, any way that works for you is the best way and being in the dream world is all that matters

Peter

on Jan 14, 2012, 01:39 PM
#15

HAGART wrote:

Snaggle:

I've read some other posts of yours, and I get the impression that you have a Wake Induced Lucid Dream, from the very start of the sleep process and are conscious the whole way through...And that after a night like that, you were not as 'rested'.

I was rested it I just slept longer than normal to be rested. Yes, I remain conscious/lucid through out the sleep process.

.HAGART wrote: .. I have a bunch of dreams, some lucid. During the first sleep period I sometimes toss and turn, and wake up with the feeling that something will never be resolved. I never remember what, but it is always a tug 'o war between two things. And when I wake up, i can't remember exactly what the dilemma was. I have a theory about this phase, but that should be a new topic.

But if I was lucid and aware during it, I would find in unnerving. It would be a nightmare. I had some night terrors as a child and they always happened in this phase. Is it possible that being lucid during the 'restorative' sleep phase can become a nightmare with in it, or perhaps later because the process didn't fully 'sort the brain out'? ('the brain sorting phase' - i think I've heard that term) I am curious, so I question.

Hagart nightmares are often incubated while awake. When first getting dream images I often have a choice like at a library where I can pick a single dream out like picking a book off the shelves, though all the dreams are intuitive impressions rather than things one sees, even when this is not the case one can end the images by opening ones eyes and start over. NREM dreams are normally dreams rather than nightmares. After the transition into rem I normally start with dreams and then have nightmares, then transition back to dreams or more rarely nightmares before waking up.

on Jan 16, 2012, 02:06 AM
#16

dream characters has various responses, sometimes unexpectedly. one can be sad knowing you're thinking he's not real, one can be furious and doesn't accept it, one can be as excited as you are, one can even happy that you realize you're dreaming, and so on.

not all dream characters are like that, it's just that they respond differently

on Jan 22, 2012, 07:15 AM
#17

Gooeymaw wrote: I never had an argument with another dream character about the reality of dream before. It sounds awesome! I wouldn't worry about taking it a step further. I think you're going to have to, anyway if you want to develop your lucid dreaming skills. Nightmares are just part of the territory.

Last night I had my first lucid dream, and towards the end I met up with my dad. Heres how it went. "Dad, guess what!?" "What?" he says. "I'm dreaming!!". He gives me a wierd look and then tries to explain to me that I am not dreaming because... (gives logical reasoning). I had to think hard if I was really asleep dreaming or if I was awake being stupid. I looked at my hands and saw blurry ten finger left hand and blurry 3 finger right hand. Why did he deceive me? I know not. But it was hilarious.

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