Your own experiments

I'd like to hear what others have done to experiment with the limits of control they can obtain within their subconscious. Most of my experimentation has involved leaving corporeal restrictions so that I am more of an energy field than a physical presence. Scientifically this works great since the laws of the conservation of energy are in my favor as long as I avoid entropy. :lol: Seriously though I'm sort of jacked to hear what others have done as I sort of felt like I mastered controlling my dreams long ago so I stopped experimenting. I'd even be up to suggestions on things others have tried and failed. I like a good challenge! :P

I came up with a good one for those willing to play. While in your dream find a book that you have never read in reality and read it. It's never worked for me but I'm interested to hear what others experience. ;)

I came up with one but I haven't had the chance to try it yet: Play a board game or card game with a DC and see how well the DC plays. I decided Chess would be a good one to play with my dream friends since it requires strategy.

Guitar48300 wrote: I came up with one but I haven't had the chance to try it yet: Play a board game or card game with a DC and see how well the DC plays. I decided Chess would be a good one to play with my dream friends since it requires strategy.

Does hot hands count? I remember many years ago playing hot hands against a DC. The DC was actually really good and I spent a lot of time rewinding and redoing his turns to learn what he was doing so I could avoid being slapped. A different sort of mental strategy game but it's as close as I have ever been to what you are discussing.

Yeah hot hands counts

Tried something new today and got an awesome result! So I've talked in some other threads about using LD to preform muscle memory type exercises for athletic stuff where repetition, even in a dream, increases the speed at which the mind can preform a task. But today at the gym I turned the whole thing on it's head!

I'm not one to try to escape reality by entering deep thought realms. Sort of like day dreaming but a bit more lucid and less abstract interference from the subconscious. But my thought was, "Obviously working out in your dreams won't help get you into better shape, BUT! what about exiting reality while working out on a repetitive piece of equipment, so you didn't have to experience the exertion and boring period of working out?"

Possible but I thought if anything external stimulus and heart rate will make this impossible. Yet I wanted to try. Worst thing that could happen is I fall off the elliptical machine right? :lol: So I set the elliptical up for 30 min on a course I am comfortable doing and at a level of exercise I normally do. I know the typical stats for myself at these levels and they are as follows. 350 calories burned, avg heart rate of 130 and 120-130 steps per minute.

I began the work out and closed my eyes. I felt myself doing the familiar repetitive stepping motion and positioned my hands in from of me on the heart rate sensor mostly for stability. I usually step to the rhythm of the music on my MP3 so I have a comfortable pace. I did so now also and then searched for a mental distraction in my head. What mental activity could I envision doing that would recreate in my head a similar enough action to make my subconscious capable of maintaining my physical activity. I wasn't having an easy time finding one.

Then suddenly I had it! I was pushing an ocean liner out of a Hurricane in the Pacific and with my hands against the back was running at super speeds. The spray of ocean water was drenching me and I couldn't keep my eyes open. Suddenly it gained mass and I thought I had hit the shoreline..... I opened my eyes.

15 Minutes had passed, I was making an excessive puddle of sweat on the floor beneath me, I was stepping at 145spm and my heart rate was over 140! With 15 more minutes to go I had already burned over 220 calories. I wonder what those around me saw? at the completion of the 30 minute cycle I had 410 calories and had gone 1.6 miles.

Maybe not earth shattering but pretty cool in my book. I tried to do it again later on the stationary bike but was not very successful. I try to go to the gym ever other day so I will reattempt this Monday with any luck I'll improve the result.

so basically you used like a meditative type state and in your mind just really tried to think about other things whilst riding on your elliptical machine or were you literally there by the ocean similar to a dream state?

dreamstudent wrote: so basically you used like a meditative type state and in your mind just really tried to think about other things whilst riding on your elliptical machine or were you literally there by the ocean similar to a dream state?

Just like a dream state. Funny part is it seemed like it lasted seconds but minutes passed on the machine. Hardest part was concentrating on the imagery at first and not the physical action. How cool would it be to enter a passive dream state that allowed you to remain with eyes open. It would be like remote controlling your own body! :D

Another day working out but no success today. I really felt positive I would succeed again as I started working out. Today I started with the stationary bike so I really thought it would be easier, a far less complicated motion and less need to maintain balance being in a seated position. I will document my stats for later reference anyways. 30 min work out, 350 calories using level 14 and 15 resistance with rpms averaging 80-90 and heart rate of 135bpm. I thought I would have success because I felt like I was detached from the activity when I starting to attempt exiting. So I was kind of doing a mental dialogue of what I would report even, "head at a 45 degree angle to the ground, breathing in thru nose out thru mouth like Tar Chi, picturing myself riding the motorcycle thru the woods or down a gravel road, picking up speed....... " But it never worked. :(
I also decided to call this technique Inter Activity Reality Conversion (IARC) as I continued to try to destract my mind from what was going on. Maybe there were too many people and I felt self conscious pedaling along with my eyes closed? :roll:

Documenting 35 min, 380calories, 1.5miles, heart rate as high as 150, using level 5 the entire time. Felt unsuccessful at IARC for all but five minutes for which I felt like I was a white ball of energy with crackling lightening bolt coursing from me, no sound, crackling implied. For whatever reason I feel very comfortable in the energy form.

• I think if I am going to continue this experiment I will put it under it's own thread labled IARC

8K interval on my Timetrial bike, avg HR 180 Max 190 and not fit yet so cant push myself. I get off the scale on HR with a max hit 4 years ago on a climb of 214. All but threw up after that effort

Peter wrote: 8K interval on my Timetrial bike, avg HR 180 Max 190 and not fit yet so cant push myself. I get off the scale on HR with a max hit 4 years ago on a climb of 214. All but threw up after that effort

I appreciate your data, did you also attempt to mentally change reality (IARC) while working out? Your heart rate is awfully high even if your an in shape teenager. :o Please be careful. ;)

buildit wrote: I came up with a good one for those willing to play. While in your dream find a book that you have never read in reality and read it. It's never worked for me but I'm interested to hear what others experience. ;)

Did this saw and opened an unknown Middle English book (around 1,000 pages) and read it while in the hynagogic state.

I came up with one but I haven't had the chance to try it yet: Play a board game or card game with a DC and see how well the DC plays. I decided Chess would be a good one to play with my dream friends since it requires strategy.

Have never played board or card games; have played numerous video and PC games as hypnagogia - the dream AI (artificial intelligence) plays just like the computer ones. I can often predict what the "randomly generated event" is going to be before the AI generates it and can do the same thing in hypnagogia. The most impressive example was entering Vice City San Andreas - a 3D game and placed without any sense that I was watching a monitor.

Have actually experimented with hynagogia control a lot: I can zoom in or zoom out; can change the angle I'm looking at them from (including above and below); can will the image to change and flash through several dozen HI and stop at the one I want. I can do the latter in LD too. I had an abnormal experience in an LD where I changed an image and could not stop it and tried to change two others that I could not stop either and had all three images transforming into new at the several dozen in a second rate. Wrote it in a dream diary at another site (I only diary things that have not happened to me before).

Your heart rate is awfully high even if your an in shape teenager

LOL - Not a teenager, a 55 yold male. We were talking today. I get regular heart check ups and had an echo cardiograms along with a consult with one of our leading heart specialists after a self referral just for the reason of putting it all in perspective and all appears well. Its just how my engine runs.

Only tried to change the pain in my legs but will look at some way to add to the efforts in some way after talking and reading your posts

I play with HI a lot and believe it is a graphic way to see thought. I can request changes. If I see a plant form during HI I can ask it to get bigger or smaller or change color and that is simple manipulation due to a request with an expected outcome. I can also request an open statement like I want to see it die and the plant form will grow to adult shape and size and then wilt or dissolve or just change shape. That sort of action is interesting as the path to the outcome is not controlled by me only requested.

This sort of HI is best in late afternoons if I am very tired or early evening on relaxing while trying for a WILD

Peter wrote: Only tried to change the pain in my legs but will look at some way to add to the efforts in some way after talking and reading your posts

Well, I hope we both find success. I'll be off to work out in a bit here and then I will start the new thread called Inter Activity Reality Change (IARC) for us and anyone else to carry on documentation on the topic. :D

PS appreciate your advice last night too. ;)

I have not done this for a long time, but starting to get a hang of it, just doing the basics really;)