Lucidity in the first sleep cycle

I know that the best time to induce an LD is after several hours of sleep but I had an awesome lucid dream last night which was in my first sleep cycle!

I'd fallen asleep after quarter to 2 and then woke up at quarter past 2 after having a very vivid and reasonably lengthed lucid dream. it must have been in my first sleep cycle seeing as i remember looking at the clock at 1:45ish. is this as unusual as I've been led to believe!?

My theory as to why my dream was vivid so early on in the dream is two nights ago I ended up with only 3/4 hours of sleep so I could have been experiencing REM rebound (that 3-4 hours was also after drinking a fair amount of alcohol so I'm guessing REM was pretty much nonexistent that night... ;) )

Like many others, the majority of my LDs happen towards the end of my sleep, so this seemed worthy of note that's all!

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Its usually at 3-5AM but its still possible at 1:45 Im pretty sure, infact I think I once had a dream upon falling asleep at 11:00, it was strange, its very rare Im guessing

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Yeah, it was a good job i woke up after cause I don't think I'd have remembered it otherwise!

Although reading my post back I realised I made a mistake with the timings-I actually looked at the clock at a QUARTER TO 1 begire falling asleep, not 2 so this is after an hour to an hour and a half of sleep not half an hour DX sorry about that!

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I've had some lucid dreams early in the night, as my first dream, and every single time it was because of REM rebound. Then I go back to sleep thinking I'll be lucid again, but nope, I sleep like normal after that.

(You can always use the EDIT feature to change your first post to get the time right. And begire? (before) :mrgreen: )

Yeah I was hoping to become lucid again after but didn't ;) I did not think to use edit! DX next time I will ;)

Double checking this reply for spelling mistakes now... ;)

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I have had a few over the years but they are very rare. I think the exception would be for shift workers with busted sleep cycles.

In saying that I have been playing with some techniques and been on the edge of projecting (OBE) in the early evening but will very intense feelings that made me bail. I will keep working on this and see where it leads.

Yeah, the theme seems to be that they occur when a persons sleeping schedule has gone awry for whatever reason!

Peter, having an OBE/WILD within the first sleep cycle sounds incredibly difficult but good luck!

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LOL - thanks.

I have some ideas on getting there but the big barrier is that when I get close the feelings are super enhanced and I need to get comfortable with that fact and then let it run as normal. Also even If I dont get there the relaxation is good and sets up for a good first sleep cycle

Interesting I have also had one of the most intense lucid dreams ever after going to bed rather late and consuming a good portion of alcohol. There was no induction either nor was I awoken from the time I went to bed to the time I woke up. So I became conscious in the dream purely from the dream which according the certain psychological theories (you cant know you had a dream unless you wake up in-between a REM cycle) isn't possible.

I am unsure what you mean. I have recalled plenty of dreams and even lucid dreams which I know for a fact happened in the early sleep stages of the night upon waking up in the morning.

Awesome so im not the only one. and I mean current theories on dreaming state that it, "it is not possible to know you had a dream unless you awoke at some point during your dream". I and you are merely reinforcing that this theory is in fact false.

dreamstudent wrote: Awesome so im not the only one. and I mean current theories on dreaming state that it, "it is not possible to know you had a dream unless you awoke at some point during your dream". I and you are merely reinforcing that this theory is in fact false.

It's easy to tell when recalling a dream whether it was recent in the morning, or early in the night, for many reasons. Memory can be more foggy for early night dreams, and early night dreams have weirder themes usually.

Those "current theories" are certainly false. ;) We're all in agreement.

Most of my lucids are in the second sleep but I have journals full of first sleep dreams and they are vivid and as interesting as the second session. My sleep habits always have me awake after 3 to 4 hours so its easy to record them

Never been able to get it in the first cycle myself! :)

I need to be mentally and physically exhausted to get it in the first cycle, same for afternoon. I have had lots of wicked OBE's in the afternoons and best in strong sunlight and very tired.

I think the sunlight affects our serotonin levels which wakes us up and make us alert. But if physically tired your body sleeps and dreams. Mind awake; Body asleep. It's always the best formula.

Yes thats what I think as well. You need to be very tired so you almost drop right to sleep, exhausted is best but it can get intense with mild SP and its nearly always an OBE. Again due to the sunlight. Have not done this for a while but had a few of them over the years.

I had a lucid dream a few nights ago, a WILD lucid dream right off the bat. I hadnt yet fallen asleep for the night, in fact, I wasnt tired at all. After lying there for a good hour, I decided to try to WILD, and lo and behold, I was able to achieve it in minutes (which on a side note, I am glad it did happen because once the WILD was done I "woke" up and was able to finally drift back to sleep).

I think that there are optimal times for sure with LD, but I have learned in this subject that NOTHING is a rule of thumb.

:)

whatever works is the truth and thats about it so go break some barriers and have fun