Can lucid dreams be used to cure mental illnesses and heal a damaged psyche?

@lucidé Wow,you were treated even worse than I was. Unfortunately,there are evil people out there who enjoy torturing others. Here's a quote from Rory Miller,one of the best self-defense instructors on the planet:

“The only defense against violent, evil people are good people who are more skilled at violence.” - Rory Miller.

I couldn't agree more. This is also why I despise the sheep who spout the "Violence is never the answer" bullshit. In many cases,people who say this are "Fake Pacifists." They are not like true pacifists who are indeed peaceful and respect to everyone,they are just cowards who feel they should be able to verbally/emotionally abuse others without fear of physical retaliation. Here's an article by Marc Macyoung,another excellent self-defense instructor,about these kinds of low-lives:

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/violentsolution.htm (BTW he was the guy who gave me the stern lecturing after I told him my story 2 years ago. but it was more because I went too far with my actions rather than my decision to retaliate. He knows that there are indeed times that violence is a legitimate solution)

I suppose all I can say now is,lets just be glad that horrible part of our lives is in the past and that we now live much happier and peaceful lives. My life may not be perfect right now,but it is light years ahead of where I was as a child.

I'm just curious,but what Martial art do you practice?

I'm an Atheist now btw,may I ask if you're the same? (Yeah,religion also forced me not to fight back earlier,the whole stupid "turn the other cheek" virtue. :roll: Its one of the many ways of how religion reduced my quality of life until one day I realized it was BS and I threw it away. I ranted about religion elsewhere,so I'll leave it alone here)

RedKryptonite wrote: @lucidé Wow,you were treated even worse than I was. Unfortunately,there are evil people out there who enjoy torturing others. Here's a quote from Rory Miller,one of the best self-defense instructors on the planet:

“The only defense against violent, evil people are good people who are more skilled at violence.” - Rory Miller.

While I don't like resorting to violence, if I must I will resort to such. In my martial arts, I also know defensive moves if the situation doesn't require I use violence, but in the situation in middle school where I was constantly attacked, I would have been required to fight back. I have abilities now I didn't before, where I can slap the wall so I take less damage (although the teachers could get mad at me for damaging their wall). One of the biggest problems I had with fighting back was there were too many of them attacking me at once. You dealt with one bully while I often dealt with a group of 8-10 of them, and it's really hard unless you are a really high level black belt to take on that many at once.

I couldn't agree more. This is also why I despise the sheep who spout the "Violence is never the answer" bullshit. In many cases,people who say this are "Fake Pacifists." They are not like true pacifists who are indeed peaceful and respect to everyone,they are just cowards who feel they should be able to verbally/emotionally abuse others without fear of physical retaliation. Here's an article by Marc Macyoung,another excellent self-defense instructor,about these kinds of low-lives:

I believe violence is the answer as a last resort, but I will use defensive moves most of the time if the situation isn't a critical one. If it isn't the middle school (which it had hallways that allowed my bullies to gang up from different sides and pounce on me), I can usually rely on my speed and running in zig zags to get away (I used to use that running speed to win races as a kid, so that speed I use to get away from bullies is no slouch). As far as the violence is never the answer, I believe SOME organizations only prevent you from taking the martial arts to protect yourself, only because they want to bully you themselves. Not only is this a problem, but there is also this sexist problem where they believe the opposite gender shouldn't be allowed to fight back, but just believe me when I say that the opposite gender gets beat up on just as much. The whole "don't hit a girl" is a lie, as in middle and sometimes high school, some guys will hit and beat up girls just because they can, leaving some of them to hide in the girl's room, and what makes it worse is that Obama made it legal for these bullies to go into the girl's room and beat them up in there (bathroom laws). I don't mind the transgenders, but they need to keep the bullies and the guys who just want to stare at my body out of the bathrooms.

I'm an Atheist now btw,may I ask if you're the same? (Yeah,religion also forced me not to fight back earlier,the whole stupid "turn the other cheek" virtue. :roll: Its one of the many ways of how religion reduced my quality of life until one day I realized it was BS and I threw it away. I ranted about religion elsewhere,so I'll leave it alone here) [/quote]

I never reveal what I am in public. Just because I believe it's no one's concern to know what I am, just to accept what I am without knowing what I am. If they never find out what I am, then there is no side that hates me. One of the good things about being in the US is you can say this.

lucidé wrote: While I don't like resorting to violence, if I must I will resort to such. In my martial arts, I also know defensive moves if the situation doesn't require I use violence, but in the situation in middle school where I was constantly attacked, I would have been required to fight back. I have abilities now I didn't before, where I can slap the wall so I take less damage (although the teachers could get mad at me for damaging their wall). One of the biggest problems I had with fighting back was there were too many of them attacking me at once. You dealt with one bully while I often dealt with a group of 8-10 of them, and it's really hard unless you are a really high level black belt to take on that many at once.

You're absolutely correct. Fighting multiple dedicated attackers is a losing preposition,even skilled fighters are often defeated in such situations. The good news though is,in many cases,especially with school bullies,they are not all that dedicated. Many bullies want punching bags,but they don't want to risk serious injury to themselves. If you have the willingness and ability to inflict serious harm on them,many will decide not to go for it. This was how I dealt with groups in the few cases I had to,I intimidated them. However,as you've said,you neither had the knowledge nor the physical skill/ability to do that in your youth,I suppose we can't really do anything about the past now. (Though I suppose it would be nice to go back in time and teach your younger self the skill you have now if it were possible)

I believe violence is the answer as a last resort, but I will use defensive moves most of the time if the situation isn't a critical one. If it isn't the middle school (which it had hallways that allowed my bullies to gang up from different sides and pounce on me), I can usually rely on my speed and running in zig zags to get away (I used to use that running speed to win races as a kid, so that speed I use to get away from bullies is no slouch). As far as the violence is never the answer, I believe SOME organizations only prevent you from taking the martial arts to protect yourself, only because they want to bully you themselves. Not only is this a problem, but there is also this sexist problem where they believe the opposite gender shouldn't be allowed to fight back, but just believe me when I say that the opposite gender gets beat up on just as much. The whole "don't hit a girl" is a lie, as in middle and sometimes high school, some guys will hit and beat up girls just because they can, leaving some of them to hide in the girl's room, and what makes it worse is that Obama made it legal for these bullies to go into the girl's room and beat them up in there (bathroom laws). I don't mind the transgenders, but they need to keep the bullies and the guys who just want to stare at my body out of the bathrooms.

The ability to run away from danger is one of the most important self-defense skills you will ever have,so its good you developed that skill to a high degree. There are indeed legal consequences from engaging in physical conflicts so in most cases outside of school(where you're stuck with the bullies. and thus,violence may be necessary to keep them off your back),you're indeed better off trying to get away than engage.

I haven't had experience with meeting guys who liked hurting girls but I've read multiple cases of such men,and indeed,some guys are so weak and pathetic that they feel the need to take their frustrations out on those physically weaker than them,in this case,the women. I hope I never personally meet such people,they are disgusting.

I never reveal what I am in public. Just because I believe it's no one's concern to know what I am, just to accept what I am without knowing what I am. If they never find out what I am, then there is no side that hates me. One of the good things about being in the US is you can say this.

No problemo,part of the beauty of the internet is the ability to be anonymous. I can perfectly understand that. Regardless,I'm sure we'll get along quite well in this forum. see you around :)

RedKryptonite wrote: You're absolutely correct. Fighting multiple dedicated attackers is a losing preposition,even skilled fighters are often defeated in such situations. The good news though is,in many cases,especially with school bullies,they are not all that dedicated. Many bullies want punching bags,but they don't want to risk serious injury to themselves. If you have the willingness and ability to inflict serious harm on them,many will decide not to go for it. This was how I dealt with groups in the few cases I had to,I intimidated them. However,as you've said,you neither had the knowledge nor the physical skill/ability to do that in your youth,I suppose we can't really do anything about the past now. (Though I suppose it would be nice to go back in time and teach your younger self the skill you have now if it were possible)

I was taught in my youth on how to evade and dodge attacks and run away really fast, but when there were 10 bullies who planned out an attack against me in the hallways, there wasn't anything I could do when several was on one side chasing me, and several were waiting to ambush me kind of like lions. Part of the problem was I was taught when I was younger how wrong violence was by a religion, but then they ended up bullying me in return. I didn't have problems in any of the other messages they taught. I only had problems that they were being cruel to me, and also to other people who had handicaps for no real reason. I only wanted to leave because I was tired of going somewhere I didn't have to go, only to get bullied even more every week. When I finally left, the leader of that religion threatened to sue my family.

The ability to run away from danger is one of the most important self-defense skills you will ever have,so its good you developed that skill to a high degree. There are indeed legal consequences from engaging in physical conflicts so in most cases outside of school(where you're stuck with the bullies. and thus,violence may be necessary to keep them off your back),you're indeed better off trying to get away than engage.

I am increasing my running skills more and more in the martial arts. They are teaching me to run longer distances (such as miles), and to run even after doing heavy workouts. A few other things like with my house I attempt to do is set a very complicated obstacle course to my door that requires the martial arts in order to get to my door. If a robber made a mistake, he'd get badly hurt, as I have left sharp objects and easy ways to trip and fall on them around those obstacles. Screw Home Alone, the best way to protect your property is to build an obstacle course to the front of your door, and the only ones who can get there are those who are really skilled at the martial arts.

I haven't had experience with meeting guys who liked hurting girls but I've read multiple cases of such men,and indeed,some guys are so weak and pathetic that they feel the need to take their frustrations out on those physically weaker than them,in this case,the women. I hope I never personally meet such people,they are disgusting.

No problemo,part of the beauty of the internet is the ability to be anonymous. I can perfectly understand that. Regardless,I'm sure we'll get along quite well in this forum. see you around :)

Here's the thing, I believe whether someone is religious or not, there will always be a problem with discrimination, which is why bullying exists, which is why I believe the government needs to do something lawfully against it. What the government needs to do, regardless of Amendment 1, is make bullying of any kind completely illegal, and if a religion, club, school, organization, bar, or any place is caught discriminating or having any form of bullying in it, the could be slapped with a fine (yes they'll have to pay the government), and the leader of that place could face jail time. I want people, no matter what school, club, organization, etc. to feel safe, and not be afraid they are going to be attacked like you or I were. Personally I don't care what school, organization, or club they decide to join, I believe discrimination and bullying need to be addressed, no matter what.

@lucidé Damn,glad to see you've cut your connections with those religious extremists,they will only effect affect your life in negative ways. (How exactly do you sue someone for leaving your religion? :lol: ) I've cut my connections with my high school,though I didn't do it vocally and did it by letting time pass and being unavailable as much as I can. every time I encounter my old classmates,I simply politely interact with them as briefly as I can. (or if the interaction goes longer than I'd like,simply act cool and make up a reason to go) Every time I get invitation to go to a party or school reunion,I pretend to accept the message but never actually go there. Thankfully over the years,the invitations have largely stopped coming. and I rarely ever come across my old classmates anymore.

I have to warn you though,that obstacle course in your house might not be legal. If you want to build a good home security,here's a couple of very good articles from Marc Macyoung's website: https://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/homesecurity.html (This is about the safety measures you can take) https://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/propertycrime.html https://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/saferoom.htm

If you really want to go further beyond,here are some books for home security recommended by that website: http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/NNSDhomesecurity.htm

If you're really serious about self-defense,you should read the other articles related to your circumstances and needs (not ALL of them,there's just way too many of them,most of them probably not related to your problems),but I'll leave that decision up to you. again,just a friendly reminder. I wouldn't want you to accidentally go to jail over giving a bad guy what they deserve. (its happened to a lot of people,unfortunately)

(WARNING...long wall of text coming,feel free whether or not to read and discuss this point of view of mine. you can ignore it if you wish)

I would love bullying and discrimination to be abolished from this world forever,but your idea by itself would be flawed. Primarily because the victim should still be required to present evidence of said bullying happening,which might not be so simple to acquire depending on the circumstances. (although the presence of modern smartphones will help greatly. Like if a group is harassing you,you can just pull out your smartphone and they will stop. if they try to physically stop the victim from getting their phones out,they've escalated from mere bullying to physical assault or even robbery.)

If we just take their word for it...remember that many people will willingly lie/exaggerate to suit their agenda. (For example,a woman I politely rejected could accuse me of discrimination,and distort the facts to present me as such. even though I have every right to choose my partner. BTW this isn't uncommon,a lot of people,both men and women,don't take rejection well)

While your idea is good,I think it should be combined with these additional ideas:

-Create a private home school system,one that could allow potential victims of bullying to learn under a competent teacher. (or teachers,if multiple are needed) to teach them not only the social skills needed to function in society,but also the other important subjects needed to function in society. They can do this either by themselves or in a small class from 5-15 (at least small enough to be easily observable to tell when bullying is going on. although this shouldn't happen too often because many students who will be attending this kind of school are going to be recent victims of bullying,and have the empathy not to inflict that kind of suffering on others.)

They can attend this school system until they are either socially competent enough to go back to regular school,or spend the rest of their school years there. Wanna know where I got this idea? the visual/fictional novel Grisaia no Kajitsu. The story takes place in "Mihama Academy",a school populated by 6 students(including the protagonist),who are all eccentrics in their own right(you can search it elsewhere if you're interested) while having a school populated by only 6 students is a tad extreme,this idea can be edited for practicality,but discussing it here in detail would make my already long message even longer. You can do the mental math.

-Teach potential victims effective self-defense ability. Simply put,no one is omnipresent and can always protect the victim. they have to learn how to protect themselves if they intend to go back to normal school. however,if said victim cannot defend themselves for some reason(physical or psychological disadvantages),their best choice is the private home school system I mentioned earlier.

Either they can do this until they can handle themselves in social situations or spend the rest of their school years there. (BTW check out Gracie Bullyproof,at least we now have a good martial arts organization who are helping victims of bullying. they've already saved multiple victims. I have some disagreement with their approach,but its far better than nothing)

-Parents/Couples should be required to take parenting training(and pass)before being allowed to reproduce or adopt. Many bad kids were developed because of incompetent parents and of course,abuse. I feel this implementation will result in the largest reduction of not only bullies,but dangerous/violent criminals in general. (I think this would be the best and most realistic implementation of all,but its still not perfect)

Unfortunately,probably none of this is gonna happen anytime soon,even though it would save so many victims(of bullying AND violent crime) despite there still being flaws in my ideas,as some families are so poor that they won't be able to afford the private school system unless the government decides to make it free. (but then again,such families should have refrained from having children until they've fixed their financial problems. but that's a topic/problem for another day,and a good parenting program should address this).

Nonetheless,the implementation of your idea + my additional ideas should help reduce both bullying and crime by a significant amount.

Man,I wrote a lot. :lol:

RedKryptonite wrote: @lucidé Damn,glad to see you've cut your connections with those religious extremists,they will only effect affect your life in negative ways. (How exactly do you sue someone for leaving your religion? :lol: )

The leader of that religion was a "lawyer", and some people in law school can be dishonest when it comes to law suits just to black mail a person into not leaving them. This was probably how he threatened other victims. While I don't believe necessarily all religions are bad, the groups which teach it which bully and victimize other people, especially the ones who cannot fight back are "bad". Because the government does have spy cameras everywhere, I would hope that they would put those cameras to good use and if they caught them and arrest the leaders for allowing bullying.
FYI I don't hate religion. I don't hate school or science. I don't like groups in either willing to discriminate against others just because they are different. Think of it like a club or something. I have no quarrel with any club as long as they don't discriminate against anyone because of race, disability, etc. If they do, the government needs to find a way to get involved because that's illegal.

I've cut my connections with my high school,though I didn't do it vocally and did it by letting time pass and being unavailable as much as I can. every time I encounter my old classmates,I simply politely interact with them as briefly as I can. (or if the interaction goes longer than I'd like,simply act cool and make up a reason to go) Every time I get invitation to go to a party or school reunion,I pretend to accept the message but never actually go there. Thankfully over the years,the invitations have largely stopped coming. and I rarely ever come across my old classmates anymore.

I do the exact same thing when it comes to that middle school or that religion. I even avoid the church or going near I used to go to as if there are serial killers inside, because the memories of that place haunt me so much.

If you're really serious about self-defense,you should read the other articles related to your circumstances and needs (not ALL of them,there's just way too many of them,most of them probably not related to your problems),but I'll leave that decision up to you. again,just a friendly reminder. I wouldn't want you to accidentally go to jail over giving a bad guy what they deserve. (its happened to a lot of people,unfortunately)

Unfortunately, even if I were to protect myself in public, I'd probably go to prison. No matter what these days, the bad guys seem to often win. Besides, I've gotten arrested and in law trouble before. One time I talked about a subject on another website before they didn't like, and they called the police on me just because they didn't like what I was talking about which was dream spying and dream meshing. I got banned from my own dream website by the host 11 years ago because I received too many complaints about it, but I did have a dream website.

I would love bullying and discrimination to be abolished from this world forever,but your idea by itself would be flawed. Primarily because the victim should still be required to present evidence of said bullying happening,which might not be so simple to acquire depending on the circumstances. (although the presence of modern smartphones will help greatly. Like if a group is harassing you,you can just pull out your smartphone and they will stop. if they try to physically stop the victim from getting their phones out,they've escalated from mere bullying to physical assault or even robbery.)

They tried to steal my purse back in middle school. They would often try to crowbar my locker open to steal it and the money I had inside. One time, some bullies called right when I became 13, saying they were going to break into my house and rob my house. My parents weren't home, so I put heavy furniture to barricade the doors, and got a sharp knife out of the drawer. There was pounding on doors with the bullies making insults at me, but eventually because I barricaded my doors, they didn't get in (I was pretty tough when I was able to put 500+ pounds of furniture to block each of the doors)

-Create a private home school system,one that could allow potential victims of bullying to learn under a competent teacher. (or teachers,if multiple are needed) to teach them not only the social skills needed to function in society,but also the other important subjects needed to function in society. They can do this either by themselves or in a small class from 5-15 (at least small enough to be easily observable to tell when bullying is going on. although this shouldn't happen too often because many students who will be attending this kind of school are going to be recent victims of bullying,and have the empathy not to inflict that kind of suffering on others.)

The problem with this is that some victims end up with more than just PTSD after getting bullied much like how I did, and a home school system will not help them. If a victim ends up with a permanent disability, be it physical or mental, that they will have to live with for the rest of their lives, this isn't just going to go away for them. They will have to live with stigma for the rest of their lives in many different ways, because whether you like it or not, stigma is very high against people with disabilities. I've had my share of problems since I've had issues with depression and mood issues me back in middle school, where almost no one will hire me because of this, some professors won't allow me in their class, and I've been still insulted numerous times by others. I can never live a normal life again, because the bullies back in middle school took my chance to live one away from me. It is too late to teach victims who end up with permanent mental disabilities, because society will never fully accept them anymore. Even worse is with some types of mental disabilities such as schizophrenia that can develop as a result of bullying, and if this disability ends up developing, the victim has a higher chance of retaliating against society in a very violent way, as schizophrenics have a 50% higher chance of committing violent crimes and a 10% higher chance of becoming serial killers. You cannot just teach a schizo to behave, it is usually up to their medications to help the with that, but the problem with medications is that they are becoming more and more expensive ($3,000 a container). Because of the stigma, they aren't getting hired, and so they cannot afford to take the medications they need. 40% of the mentally disabled end their own lives, which because of how bad the stigma is, I cannot blame them. Euthanasia needs to be a choice for them.

They can attend this school system until they are either socially competent enough to go back to regular school,or spend the rest of their school years there. Wanna know where I got this idea? the visual/fictional novel Grisaia no Kajitsu. The story takes place in "Mihama Academy",a school populated by 6 students(including the protagonist),who are all eccentrics in their own right(you can search it elsewhere if you're interested) while having a school populated by only 6 students is a tad extreme,this idea can be edited for practicality,but discussing it here in detail would make my already long message even longer. You can do the mental math.

The problem is if they become mentally ill, there isn't much taking them out of there can do to help them. Once I started having problems with mood episodes, then even when I wasn't around my bullies, I had severe problems with not only depression, but with controlling when I would become angry, sad, anxious, and other moods. Because I had problems controlling the intensity of those moods as I didn't know what was going on, there wasn't anything much I could do about it. If they are taken out before any permanent mental damage happens, then fine, but if they end up mentally ill, then the damage is already done, and the best you can hope to do is drop them out of school altogether, and take them up to psychiatry and a therapist weekly in hopes you can get the mental illness under control (which I wish they could have found out that was the case for me instead of saying over and over again I was a bad student, which I am sure the teachers do the same to the schizos)

-Teach potential victims effective self-defense ability. Simply put,no one is omnipresent and can always protect the victim. they have to learn how to protect themselves if they intend to go back to normal school. however,if said victim cannot defend themselves for some reason(physical or psychological disadvantages),their best choice is the private home school system I mentioned earlier.

Actually the government is omnipresent, they see things happen all the time. If the DNA of a family shows a possible disability is in the future, these are the kids that need to learn the martial arts the most, because trauma could cause a disability to happen at an early age.

-Parents/Couples should be required to take parenting training(and pass)before being allowed to reproduce or adopt. Many bad kids were developed because of incompetent parents and of course,abuse. I feel this implementation will result in the largest reduction of not only bullies,but dangerous/violent criminals in general. (I think this would be the best and most realistic implementation of all,but its still not perfect)

Some of the victims are the ones who become violent, if they develop schizophrenia or some other mental disability as a result of the bullying. But I agree about the parenting course. I get really tired of some of these parents bringing their toddlers into college/university classes, and expecting the rest of us to listen to their tantrums. What is worse than that is that they banned violence in the multimedia classes because of these stupid parents, and it makes me so upset. Violent multimedia was the way I would vent out my anger...which I would put the bullies into my drawings or my videos and do the most X rated violent things to them you can imagine. Another problem I have in my community and with some religions is that they encourage incompetent parenting. I know some people might find it okay that they allow the toddlers to throw tantrums during supposed to be silent moments, run around, smash food into the walls or draw on them, smash people's IPhones, rip apart bibles and song books, and they can steal people's food off their plates, but I find this disrespectful. This is what is encouraging the bullying, because the parents are not disciplining the toddlers, and the fact that society is not allowing certain forms of discipline like they used to is not helping decrease the amount of bullying.

Unfortunately,probably none of this is gonna happen anytime soon,even though it would save so many victims(of bullying AND violent crime) despite there still being flaws in my ideas,as some families are so poor that they won't be able to afford the private school system unless the government decides to make it free. (but then again,such families should have refrained from having children until they've fixed their financial problems. but that's a topic/problem for another day,and a good parenting program should address this). [/quote

It isn't just the poor family's kids that are bullying. See I used to look after kids, and one family's child, which the family was absolutely wealthy, was a bully even to the adults because he was spoiled and had to always get what he wanted. He often would run in front of cars, which I would always try to make sure that didn't happen, but then he'd kick me really hard in the knees and punch me in the breasts. So keep in mind it isn't always the poor that end up the bullies. The rich can end up being bullies as well.

lucidé wrote: One time I talked about a subject on another website before they didn't like, and they called the police on me just because they didn't like what I was talking about which was dream spying and dream meshing. I got banned from my own dream website by the host 11 years ago because I received too many complaints about it, but I did have a dream website.

What the Fu...I got angry just reading that. Doesn't this violate our right to free speech!? :x Well,I hope you've gotten away from such close-minded neighbors. I honestly don't understand how that could happen. I've seen blogs that discuss actual disturbing content but they don't get taken down.

lucidé wrote: Euthanasia needs to be a choice for them.

I agree with this. Euthanasia should be legal. No one likes to admit this,but some people are indeed damaged beyond repair and the most merciful thing we can do for them is to end their suffering. For some,life never gets better.

My idea is obviously not perfect(I don't think anything is,not with a subject/problem almost as complicated as the subject of violence itself,which is bullying) but it can at least save those who can still be helped and most importantly,it can be an effective way to prevent someone from being bullied in the first place. (Like if you're a parent and you notice that your child has habits/mannerisms that could get them ostracized in school,you can start them off with the private home school program. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure,as they say.)

lucidé wrote: Actually the government is omnipresent, they see things happen all the time. If the DNA of a family shows a possible disability is in the future, these are the kids that need to learn the martial arts the most, because trauma could cause a disability to happen at an early age.

Lots of people have gotten away with what is considered to be "crime",including me(I've had quite a number of fist fights against bullies in school for instance,but I never got in trouble with the law and my record is squeaky clean. I know because I'm in the process of getting my visa,which of course involves looking at my record). it happens all the time,so that's not really true. However,I can see your point that if they see DNA that could cause an abnormality/eccentricity in the future of a newborn,they can at least take preventive action...well,if they bother to do it. which they don't at the moment. that's why we are discussing this and why the bullying problem is still so rampant.

Yes,several victims who have turned dangerous came from abusive backgrounds(I know because I used to be violent,caused by the bullying I experienced in school.) The point of the parenting program isn't just to reduce victims,but to reduce the number of bullies themselves (by teaching them early on that its wrong to hurt others for being different,followed by appropriate punishment if they refuse to listen) which results in an overall lessening of the bullying epidemic. If you get what I'm saying..

Yeah,violent media/entertainment don't create violent/bad people. excessive traumatic experiences and/or neglect is what does it. I'm just curious,but have you ever used lucid dreaming to torture bullies? I haven't really tried to deliberately do it,primarily because by the time I got into lucid dreaming,my anger and hatred has already subsided due to the years of peace. However,I've had several non-lucid dreams where I got into a fight again with the bully I spoke of. I always defeat him though,often in very brutal fashion. (I might actually post one of them later in the non-lucid section,lol) I can't recall a single dream where I lost to the bully. it seems my victory against him in real life has been deeply ingrained into my subconscious. :lol:

I despise people/parents like these,almost as much as the bullies themselves. again,refer to the article I posted here about "Fake Pacifists" (A real pacifist would understand that these entertainment mediums victimize no one,and that people need that kind of entertainment and that if they don't like it,all they have to do is not indulge in it,not take the away the rights of others to enjoy it)

To tell you the truth though,I honestly have no desire to ever have children. I plan to live the childfree lifestyle. I've been told several times by the few people I've told in real life that I will end up changing my mind,and maybe that is possible,but I just can't imagine it ever happening. I might get actively involved with Romance someday,but I don't plan to include children in the picture. I wouldn't be a good father anyway. I'm way too selfish and far too much of a clumsy airhead. :lol:

Oh btw,I'm well aware that bad kids don't just come from poor families. In fact,rich families are prone to having spoiled and self-entitled children. What I was referring to was that if my ideas were ever implemented in society,one of the few flaws it will have is that it will probably be too expensive for the poor families to afford (unless the government decides to make it free or really,really cheap,which seems even more unlikely than my idea becoming true to begin with) and so it cannot erase the bullying epidemic entirely,but at least it will reduce it.

lucidé wrote: Unfortunately, even if I were to protect myself in public, I'd probably go to prison. No matter what these days, the bad guys seem to often win.Besides, I've gotten arrested and in law trouble before.

Going back to this topic (I almost posted and forgot to address this),I would say reading Marc's articles should at least minimize the chances of you ending in prison should you find yourself in an incident. The people you will meet in prison might very well turn out to be even worse versions of the bullies you met in middle school,so its best to make an effort to minimize the chances of ever ending up there. I'll leave that decision up to you though. hopefully neither of us ever find ourselves in a violent incident ever again.

HOLY SHIT I'm shocked! I'm sorry for both of you!

HunterClash wrote: HOLY SHIT I'm shocked! I'm sorry for both of you!

Thanks for your concern,I hope you never have to go through what we did. (or anyone else for that matter,no one deserves to have years of their life wasted by bullies)

lucidé got the worst of it though. I will always have my quirks,but with time,good casual friends,and my "happy PTSD" (sorry if that sounds disturbing,I'm just got glad I got the chance to unleash myself on my worst bully. I would say this is the biggest reason why I was able to recover,and had I not fought back on that critical moment,I may very well have ended up with the classic PTSD just like lucidé.),I was able to largely recover from my past and live a happy(though not perfect)life now.

I hope lucidé manages to find true peace and happiness in her life someday,she deserves it after all the shit life threw at her.

RedKryptonite wrote:

HunterClash wrote:HOLY SHIT I'm shocked! I'm sorry for both of you!

Thanks for your concern,I hope you never have to go through what we did. (or anyone else for that matter,no one deserves to have years of their life wasted by bullies)

lucidé got the worst of it though. I will always have my quirks,but with time,good casual friends,and my "happy PTSD" (sorry if that sounds disturbing,I'm just got glad I got the chance to unleash myself on my worst bully. I would say this is the biggest reason why I was able to recover,and had I not fought back on that critical moment,I may very well have ended up with the classic PTSD just like lucidé.),I was able to largely recover from my past and live a happy(though not perfect)life now.

I hope lucidé manages to find true peace and happiness in her life someday,she deserves it after all the shit life threw at her. its great that noone is suicidal. thats the best thing to know.

RedKryptonite wrote: What the Fu...I got angry just reading that. Doesn't this violate our right to free speech!? :x Well,I hope you've gotten away from such close-minded neighbors. I honestly don't understand how that could happen. I've seen blogs that discuss actual disturbing content but they don't get taken down.

It wasn't my neighbors who did this. Some users online are liberals and believe people should either agree with them or they have the right to blackmail them to force them to agree with them. Unfortunately, the psych wards are willing to lock just about anyone in them because not only do they get paid taxes for staying open, but they drain their victims of their insurance while they are trapped inside. These places are far worse than any prison, as the guards there have every right to physically violate your privacy, can physically attack you, and will stick you with needles almost all the time.

I agree with this. Euthanasia should be legal. No one likes to admit this,but some people are indeed damaged beyond repair and the most merciful thing we can do for them is to end their suffering. For some,life never gets better.

Once a person is afflicted with any disability, their life never gets better. Because discrimination is so bad against the disabled, it is really hard living for them.

My idea is obviously not perfect(I don't think anything is,not with a subject/problem almost as complicated as the subject of violence itself,which is bullying) but it can at least save those who can still be helped and most importantly,it can be an effective way to prevent someone from being bullied in the first place. (Like if you're a parent and you notice that your child has habits/mannerisms that could get them ostracized in school,you can start them off with the private home school program. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure,as they say.)

It's possible also the parent could get them signed up in the martial arts as well. If the kid gets expelled for defending themselves from bullying, then they could always go back the home school program.

Lots of people have gotten away with what is considered to be "crime",including me(I've had quite a number of fist fights against bullies in school for instance,but I never got in trouble with the law and my record is squeaky clean. I know because I'm in the process of getting my visa,which of course involves looking at my record). it happens all the time,so that's not really true. However,I can see your point that if they see DNA that could cause an abnormality/eccentricity in the future of a newborn,they can at least take preventive action...well,if they bother to do it. which they don't at the moment. that's why we are discussing this and why the bullying problem is still so rampant.

It's too bad they don't bother to do it. Our country would be a lot safer from shootings and other crimes if they bothered to do something about the schizophrenia that develops occasionally because of the bullying. One thing I am upset at the government with in the past few years, is that they successfully increased the bullying rather than decreased it by allowing

Yes,several victims who have turned dangerous came from abusive backgrounds(I know because I used to be violent,caused by the bullying I experienced in school.) The point of the parenting program isn't just to reduce victims,but to reduce the number of bullies themselves (by teaching them early on that its wrong to hurt others for being different,followed by appropriate punishment if they refuse to listen) which results in an overall lessening of the bullying epidemic. If you get what I'm saying..

This won't always reduce the number of bullies. Even if a parent puts a kid in disciplinary school, sometimes they still behave like bullies anyways. Some kids are born sociopathic/psychopathic, and the society needs to know which kids are born this way.

Yeah,violent media/entertainment don't create violent/bad people. excessive traumatic experiences and/or neglect is what does it. I'm just curious,but have you ever used lucid dreaming to torture bullies? I haven't really tried to deliberately do it,primarily because by the time I got into lucid dreaming,my anger and hatred has already subsided due to the years of peace. However,I've had several non-lucid dreams where I got into a fight again with the bully I spoke of. I always defeat him though,often in very brutal fashion. (I might actually post one of them later in the non-lucid section,lol) I can't recall a single dream where I lost to the bully. it seems my victory against him in real life has been deeply ingrained into my subconscious. :lol:

Quite often in lucid dreams. In multimedia as well, because in multimedia, well at least years ago, you can get away with doing almost anything in animations or drawings without getting criticized or chastised by anyone, and it's one thing I really like about the industry. They need to get rid of the critical parents who are trying to get rid of the violence, because I really liked the industry before the parents started restricting our violence because they decided to bring their toddlers into an adult oriented industry. You don't bring young kids into an industry where we model anatomically correct models (you have to in an art industry like multimedia), which a group and I did make fun of once in an animation once (we made a little girl say, "Look mommy! The character's @#$@# is showing!" in Spanish ).

I despise people/parents like these,almost as much as the bullies themselves. again,refer to the article I posted here about "Fake Pacifists" (A real pacifist would understand that these entertainment mediums victimize no one,and that people need that kind of entertainment and that if they don't like it,all they have to do is not indulge in it,not take the away the rights of others to enjoy it)

I totally agree with you on this. I played a violent video game called The Sims 3 for a long time. You could do all sorts of violent mean things to the Sims, and I enjoyed it. Often I made the people who I was angry at into Sims, and would turn them into Vampires and Zombies, then I would kill them, or sometimes if I wanted to kill them over and over again, I'd give them the "unlucky" trait, where the Grim Reaper would resurrect them after I killed them and say, "Your constant misfortune amuses me and those around you. It would be a shame to take that priceless entertainment away from these people. I will take you some other day." Some of my family members or even others would call me sick with the way I would play this game or create my animations, but when I was able to play those violent video games while angry, it got that anger I was feeling out. It was almost as if I was able to go right in there and punch at something. Sadly with many shows and video games, they are taking out the violence lately.

To tell you the truth though,I honestly have no desire to ever have children. I plan to live the childfree lifestyle. I've been told several times by the few people I've told in real life that I will end up changing my mind,and maybe that is possible,but I just can't imagine it ever happening. I might get actively involved with Romance someday,but I don't plan to include children in the picture. I wouldn't be a good father anyway. I'm way too selfish and far too much of a clumsy airhead. :lol:

It would be very bad for me to have children anyway. I was told my children had a 100% chance of being mentally disabled in some way, and after my bullies ruined my life like this, I could never do the same to anyone else.

Oh btw,I'm well aware that bad kids don't just come from poor families. In fact,rich families are prone to having spoiled and self-entitled children. What I was referring to was that if my ideas were ever implemented in society,one of the few flaws it will have is that it will probably be too expensive for the poor families to afford (unless the government decides to make it free or really,really cheap,which seems even more unlikely than my idea becoming true to begin with) and so it cannot erase the bullying epidemic entirely,but at least it will reduce it.

They need to make it affordable for the poor families, just like they are requiring that the homeless children are attending school.

Going back to this topic (I almost posted and forgot to address this),I would say reading Marc's articles should at least minimize the chances of you ending in prison should you find yourself in an incident. The people you will meet in prison might very well turn out to be even worse versions of the bullies you met in middle school,so its best to make an effort to minimize the chances of ever ending up there. I'll leave that decision up to you though. hopefully neither of us ever find ourselves in a violent incident ever again.

I've already decided if I ended up there, I would refuse water and food for a week. I'd go into shock from my extremely low blood pressure (I've gone into shock from this before, and while it's horrifying, I'd prefer that over being bullied again) then fall into a coma, because the guards don't treat people in prison. I would never feel anyone bully me again.

its great that noone is suicidal. thats the best thing to know.

I wouldn't say I didn't try to attempt this while I was in middle school. That is just a very sensitive subject to bring up, and I try not to bring up some things I did in the past. It is kind of fun to play games like this: http://www.adultswim.com/games/web/five-minutes-to-kill-yourself-reloaded What's your highest score? Mine is 2.5 minutes.

I wouldn't say I didn't try to attempt this while I was in middle school. That is just a very sensitive subject to bring up, and I try not to bring up some things I did in the past. It is kind of fun to play games like this: http://www.adultswim.com/games/web/five-minutes-to-kill-yourself-reloaded What's your highest score? Mine is 2.5 minutes.

Hmm...interesting game. just played it for the first time and got 3:48:11 minutes. Its unrealistic but hey,not much to expect from a free flash game.

I have to be honest,there were definite times in the past when I felt that I wanted to end it all forever(maybe I'll go into detail at another time,but not now),I actually had a classmate in college who hanged himself in his room(one of the worst/most painful ways to end your life). We were never close,but by coincidence,it happened when I myself was beginning to feel it again. Fortunate circumstances however lead me away from that (had lady luck not been in my favor,I probably would have followed in his footsteps.) and here I am.

I can truthfully say that I'm glad to be alive today,because I was able to experience the wonders of Lucid Dreaming and Mary Jane,among others. While I do occasionally get the feels(it usually happens when I find myself with a problem I can't figure out and feel hopeless),they tend to be fleeting nowadays and with the help of some of my loving family members,things do go well. I also have a few dreams/goals to aim for now(I already spoke of it in our past discussion),and I've got my dream life to look forward to. so yeah,I'm glad to be alive today. :D

RedKryptonite wrote: Hmm...interesting game. just played it for the first time and got 3:48:11 minutes. Its unrealistic but hey,not much to expect from a free flash game.

I know, but when I am feeling depressed on some days, it's fun. Well at least it's more fun than pressing the X button to instant suicide on some video games. I got in SO much trouble because they had the press X to suicide in a kids game, and I kept making Yoshi say, "Yoshi cannot stand one more minute of this video game!"

I have to be honest,there were definite times in the past when I felt that I wanted to end it all forever(maybe I'll go into detail at another time,but not now),I actually had a classmate in college who hanged himself in his room(one of the worst/most painful ways to end your life). We were never close,but by coincidence,it happened when I myself was beginning to feel it again. Fortunate circumstances however lead me away from that (had lady luck not been in my favor,I probably would have followed in his footsteps.) and here I am.

Sorry about your classmate. I had the misfortune of having friends "die" on me by painful illnesses and a 3 year old cousin murdered by getting crushed, so I wasn't too thrilled about that.

I can truthfully say that I'm glad to be alive today,because I was able to experience the wonders of Lucid Dreaming and Mary Jane,among others. While I do occasionally get the feels(it usually happens when I find myself with a problem I can't figure out and feel hopeless),they tend to be fleeting nowadays and with the help of some of my loving family members,things do go well. I also have a few dreams/goals to aim for now(I already spoke of it in our past discussion),and I've got my dream life to look forward to. so yeah,I'm glad to be alive today. :D

My lucid dreams are often one of the few things that motivate me, since sometimes they are one of the only times I can experience anything without my afflictions. If it weren't for them, I wouldn't have any motivation left. I am wondering if there is a way one day to live in a lucid dream or virtual reality.

I have read this whole thread. I must say modern life really is stressful. I being an depressed introvert for since I was eleven had thought about suicide many times but was scared that my soul will be lost in this world and other scary stuff as told by my mother. I don't believe in it now but it did help me from dying. :mrgreen: But, I must say even then I haven't been exposed to such traumatic incidents such as death of peers. Although, I may experience it soon, considering I am just 18. Also regarding bullying, I most of the time have not been physically bullied even though I was not much strong. Most of the bullying was done verbally. But even then, that including the psychological isolation and a kind of broken family(not divorced) was very taxing for the mind and was very hard to endure. Leading to suicidal thoughts. I must say even now I am depressed many of the times but I can endure it. But my problems seem to pale in comparison for your problems. Lucide and Redkrypontonite. I offer my sincere and deep sympathy for your sufferings and my utmost respect for your hardness and endurance.

LoneDreamer wrote: I have read this whole thread. I must say modern life really is stressful. I being an depressed introvert for since I was eleven had thought about suicide many times but was scared that my soul will be lost in this world and other scary stuff as told by my mother. I don't believe in it now but it did help me from dying. :mrgreen: But, I must say even then I haven't been exposed to such traumatic incidents such as death of peers. Although, I may experience it soon, considering I am just 18. Also regarding bullying, I most of the time have not been physically bullied even though I was not much strong. Most of the bullying was done verbally. But even then, that including the psychological isolation and a kind of broken family(not divorced) was very taxing for the mind and was very hard to endure. Leading to suicidal thoughts. I must say even now I am depressed many of the times but I can endure it. But my problems seem to pale in comparison for your problems. Lucide and Redkrypontonite. I offer my sincere and deep sympathy for your sufferings and my utmost respect for your hardness and endurance.

Thank you for your sentiments. It really isn't fair that people like us got cheated out of a happy childhood,but despite our past suffering,at least life did indeed get better for us(we're not getting bullied/harassed anymore for a start) and hey,if we're all going to oblivion anyway,we might as well make the best of the remaining life we have now,and hopefully even reach true self-actualization in our lifetime. That is what keeps me going :)

lucidé wrote: My lucid dreams are often one of the few things that motivate me, since sometimes they are one of the only times I can experience anything without my afflictions. If it weren't for them, I wouldn't have any motivation left. I am wondering if there is a way one day to live in a lucid dream or virtual reality.

Hopefully the full development of VR technology happens within our lifetime. I wouldn't mind being a 90+ year old fart if that kind of tech is available by then. :mrgreen:

RedKryptonite wrote:

lucidé wrote:My lucid dreams are often one of the few things that motivate me, since sometimes they are one of the only times I can experience anything without my afflictions. If it weren't for them, I wouldn't have any motivation left. I am wondering if there is a way one day to live in a lucid dream or virtual reality.

Hopefully the full development of VR technology happens within our lifetime. I wouldn't mind being a 90+ year old fart if that kind of tech is available by then. :mrgreen:

I couldn't agree more. :mrgreen: I want to play and complete a VR game(a good one) before I die. 8-)

Also, I believe you should meet with your classmates. You may be surprised by how much they have changed most probably the bullies. It may be a memorable experience. Its just my opinion though.

LoneDreamer wrote: Also, I believe you should meet with your classmates. You may be surprised by how much they have changed most probably the bullies. It may be a memorable experience. Its just my opinion though.

I've met some of my former classmates/enemies since some of them go the same college as I do,and yeah,most of the ones I run into are quite polite(a few however,are not. but I rarely ever come across them so its not a problem.)

Funny enough,this includes the "baddest bully" that I beat in my last fight. He's actually polite whenever we come across each other. (as in,he actually goes out of his way to say Hi to me. I politely greet him back of course,even though I don't think I will ever be truly comfortable interacting with him.) Of course,I can't exactly gauge his character from just those brief greetings,but at least he's not going out of his way to be obnoxious anymore like he used to. (Fatherhood will probably do that to you. yeah,he's already got a kid at his age. teenage pregnancy is not uncommon in my area)

However,if I'm ever going to go to the high school reunions,I plan to do it after a large amount of time(like 15 years or more)and only after I've gotten my life handled. (I've successfully lost weight/gotten fit,gotten financially successful,have improved my social skills to an even greater degree than right now,etc.) I feel doing this will at least improve the chances of the reunion going well for me. I feel going back now or too soon would be a bad idea.

Overall,its at the bottom of my to-do list. There are many,many things I prioritize doing first before I even consider it. Its very optional,and I don't see myself doing it for a very long time,if I ever do so at all. (which is fine and dandy. its not an obligation or anything)

Regarding fitness. I recently learned to fully climb a ledge(awkwardly) using legs. Now, I am trying to climb a ledge with just my hands. I feel I am close. Just need a little more strength for the pushing part. If I learn this, I will be able to climb anyplace that my hands can reach. Perhaps practicing it in dream may help. 8-)

@Summerlander I was going to show you this link,but I couldn't find it last night. Now I have,and its quite possibly the most brilliant article I have ever seen that addresses what real pacifism is all about. It was written by a well-known self-defense instructor by the name of "Marc Macyoung." http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/fightorno.html

In short, pacifism is not only about being against violence, it also is about being non-violent.

To be a pacifist, you must be peaceful. And that means you don't use violence to get what you want. To be peaceful you strive for calm and tranquility; within in your mind, within your spirit, within your emotions and attitudes, within your words and within your behavior. You project peace, not violence. In short, being pacifistic means that you do not engage in any kind of violence yourself.

Unfortunately, most self-proclaimed 'pacifists' are anything but pacific. When considered with the definition of violence given below (click down, and return) the implications of Mr. Young's statement should bring you up short. It is very easy to be extremely violent without ever being physical about it. Pacifism is not -- as many self-proclaimed pacifists do -- screaming vitriolic anger at people and then claiming you are non-violent because you didn't punch anybody. If you think this is an exaggeration, look at photos and examine the faces of people who are engaged in "peace protests," or better yet, watch their actions and behaviors on film, especially when they are confronting someone. They are many things, but non-violent is not one of them.

Pacifism is not about being "verbally/emotionally violent" and then hiding behind a convenient definition so you don't get punched. Nor is it about being selfish and hurtful and relying on convention to keep you safe. People who engage in violence without ever "stooping" to physical violence are not being pacifistic. In order to get their way, they are trying to control the degree of violence in which they participate. What is interesting to notice is the intense unease of these kind of people have when around individuals who they deem "violent." (e.g. those who will take it physical). Our theory is that their reliance on violence makes them uncomfortable around someone who is willing to go further with it than they.

This is absolutely true. the vast majority of self-proclaimed "pacifists" that I've met in real life were nothing more than verbally/emotionally abusive cowards who just wanted free reign to abuse whoever they want without fear of physical retaliation. I have,however,met true pacifists online and they are indeed wonderful people. Even though I will never understand their refusal to physically defend themselves,they are at least true to their calling and not just using their pacifist status as a shield to enable their bad behavior like the false pacifists do.

Summerlander wrote: 'Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, "he that is not with me is against me".'

~George Orwell

Even Gandhi was well aware that his pious pacifism would not have worked on the Nazis. Imagine if we never had Winston Churchill's belligerence against Adolf Hitler and the Allies continued to employ terms of appeasement just like Neville Chamberlain.

Picture scores of Jews willingly standing still---hoping to set a 'good' example to the enemy---as the Fuhrer's brainwashed henchmen slaughter them like rats. The Holocaust would have been worse; the Third Reich would triumph; Hitler would smile.

Today, imagine Western 'infidels' appeasing the Jihadist masses brewing in the Levant and beyond! Imagine we chose not to fight the Islamic State, an enemy brainwashed by the religious doctrine mandating the enslavement and murder of nonbelievers ...

So much for pacifism ... :mrgreen:

I completely agree. That quote says it perfectly. Also the story about Gandhi running around India half naked and giving freedom is absolute bulls**t. Gandhi was just some of the persons leading the freedom fight. It was not because of his non violence. One of the main reasons was the financial strain of the 2 world wars had seriously affected Britain empire. That along with rebellion of indian soldiers and angry population of India was one of the main reasons. But the history manipulated to suit certain agendas in India. Even now just read some history books of Indian high school, jihadi kings who made pyramids out of infidel heads are hailed as secular saints and economists and the native kings(mostly Hindus) are looked down upon. Also too be true, western infidels have been appeasing jihadis ever since they came. Giving them a label to hide under(islamophobia) even when they threaten to destroy and do attack west, western infidels still protect them. That's not secularism that's just cowardice. The jihadis are not as tough as they look. Just show them their place and they will accept. The problem happens when you let them out of control. Ever since jihadis have appeared in west, the western infidels have always rolled over and shown their belly. Whenever this happens they get more bold. Of all the states in India, Gujarat is the only one with not much problems of jihadis. This I believe is most probably the result of the infamous 2002 riots that happened in Gujarat. I am pretty sure it is known by the westerners considering that it was a heated topic of discussions among the liberals around the world.

@lucidé Just curious,but as a martial artist,do you engage in full-contact sparring?

Bertrand Russell, someone I admire, considered himself to be a pacifist. But he was also for self-defence. Would you guys say that certain self-righteous cowards out there gave pacifism a bad name? :|

Summerlander wrote: Bertrand Russell, someone I admire, considered himself to be a pacifist. But he was also for self-defence. Would you guys say that certain self-righteous cowards out there gave pacifism a bad name? :|

Definitely. Really,there is absolutely no shame in protecting yourself from bad people. You can be a good person who isn't afraid to go hands-on when the need arises,especially when you're faced with monsters like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aorAHKlnQy0 (Warning: Very graphic video)

Right now in college,I have a classmate who I can confirm,is a false pacifist. While he's not a verbally/emotionally abusive bully,he reeks of passive-aggressiveness,and he's vehemently against learning martial arts/how to physically defend oneself. (He doesn't like the fact that I read e-books about the topic on my android when I'm bored in class or waiting for the professor. he can't do anything about it,but I can see the obvious displeasure in his face whenever I do.) :roll:

We can get along on a superficial level (Like I said,I don't seek conflicts.),but he's the type of person I could neither foster a genuine friendship with,nor someone I could ever truly respect.

I remember him actually bluntly telling me that people don't really like me and are just pretending to get along with me to be polite. with a "no offense" at the end of the sentence of course :lol: Now what kind of peaceful person would say something so obviously rude? (and very untrue. I may be an introvert who isn't actively trying to make friends,but I've had a lot of meaningful conversations with several different classmates) especially when I never asked for his opinion to begin with. I just brushed it off and changed the topic. I simply don't want to add unnecessary conflict into my now peaceful life. Though if this were an anonymous conversation on the internet,I would have gladly ripped his "opinion" to shreds :twisted:

But do you want to know the one incident that truly confirmed to me that he's a false pacifist? we were once talking about bullies,and he's actually gotten himself physically assaulted before,but he's always refused to retaliate/defend himself. He mentioned to me that sometimes,he wished he could "kill" them.

Now,that was probably an exaggeration,and hey,I don't blame him for hating his bullies. But this is definitely not how a true pacifist thinks or feels. If you have vengeance inside your heart,you're certainly not a truly peaceful person. Yeah,he's just a self-righteous coward who doesn't like the idea that people have the right to physically defend themselves. :roll:

Those pacifists are the biggest egotistical liars. :mrgreen:

Summerlander wrote: Bertrand Russell, someone I admire, considered himself to be a pacifist. But he was also for self-defence. Would you guys say that certain self-righteous cowards out there gave pacifism a bad name? :|

Yep, I kind of agree. Peace should used when it can be, but not fighting back even after being repeatedly attack is cowardice. If someone slaps you, don't show him the other cheek, inquire about the reasons and if its some silly reason, slap him twice .

RedKryptonite wrote:

Summerlander wrote:Bertrand Russell, someone I admire, considered himself to be a pacifist. But he was also for self-defence. Would you guys say that certain self-righteous cowards out there gave pacifism a bad name? :|

Definitely. Really,there is absolutely no shame in protecting yourself from bad people. You can be a good person who isn't afraid to go hands-on when the need arises,especially when you're faced with monsters like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aorAHKlnQy0 (Warning: Very graphic video)

Right now in college,I have a classmate who I can confirm,is a false pacifist. While he's not a verbally/emotionally abusive bully,he reeks of passive-aggressiveness,and he's vehemently against learning martial arts/how to physically defend oneself. (He doesn't like the fact that I read e-books about the topic on my android when I'm bored in class or waiting for the professor. he can't do anything about it,but I can see the obvious displeasure in his face whenever I do.) :roll:

We can get along on a superficial level (Like I said,I don't seek conflicts.),but he's the type of person I could neither foster a genuine friendship with,nor someone I could ever truly respect.

I remember him actually bluntly telling me that people don't really like me and are just pretending to get along with me to be polite. with a "no offense" at the end of the sentence of course :lol: Now what kind of peaceful person would say something so obviously rude? (and very untrue. I may be an introvert who isn't actively trying to make friends,but I've had a lot of meaningful conversations with several different classmates) especially when I never asked for his opinion to begin with. I just brushed it off and changed the topic. I simply don't want to add unnecessary conflict into my now peaceful life. Though if this were an anonymous conversation on the internet,I would have gladly ripped his "opinion" to shreds :twisted:

But do you want to know the one incident that truly confirmed to me that he's a false pacifist? we were once talking about bullies,and he's actually gotten himself physically assaulted before,but he's always refused to retaliate/defend himself. He mentioned to me that sometimes,he wished he could "kill" them.

Now,that was probably an exaggeration,and hey,I don't blame him for hating his bullies. But this is definitely not how a true pacifist thinks or feels. If you have vengeance inside your heart,you're certainly not a truly peaceful person. Yeah,he's just a self-righteous coward who doesn't like the idea that people have the right to physically defend themselves. :roll:

Your classmate seems like more like an egoistic coward who can't fight back and just uses pacifism as facade to save his ego.

LoneDreamer wrote:

Summerlander wrote:Bertrand Russell, someone I admire, considered himself to be a pacifist. But he was also for self-defence. Would you guys say that certain self-righteous cowards out there gave pacifism a bad name? :|

Yep, I kind of agree. Peace should used when it can be, but not fighting back even after being repeatedly attack is cowardice. If someone slaps you, don't show him the other cheek, inquire about the reasons and if its some silly reason, slap him twice .

I like this. 8-)

RedKryptonite wrote:

What would you have done? Just curious. was your situation really that hopeless? would your parents have listened to you if you begged them as hard as you can to transfer you?

Yes, because the teachers and staff were SO mean to me, that they put horrible things in my school record. I even wanted to go to a higher up high school, which was supposed to be a better place, but because of the horrible things these teachers said, the psychologist even blackmailed me often, I wasn't allowed to. That school all the way around really hated me.

If I had been able to turn the clock around, I would have gone to karate as a child, becoming a brown belt by the time I reached middle school. When those bullies tried to pick on me with all that training, I would have smacked them down (if they are trying to all attack me at once, knocking them out is my only line of defense). A brown belt can also face several bullies at a time. Religion or school, I would have protected myself and had way more confidence. Of course then I would have gotten "expelled" from that school and excommunicated from that religion for violence, but then I could be home schooled until high school, never having to face bullies again. Perhaps if time travel becomes available, I will fix some of the things that need fixing in the past.

Yep, I kind of agree. Peace should used when it can be, but not fighting back even after being repeatedly attack is cowardice. If someone slaps you, don't show him the other cheek, inquire about the reasons and if its some silly reason, slap him twice .

What probably got me into trouble with bullies to begin with. Was taught as a kid that fighting was the wrong thing to do. Maybe they did that because of my gender back then. I once smashed the fingers of a drunk guy on a plane, because he kept grabbing my side. He wasn't able to grab my side after I broke his fingers.