Best lucid talk with a DC I've Had Yet

I still wonder if some people in my dreams are figments of my own mind or if they are somehow real. Is there an astral plane for lucid dreamers to meet up? Another thing I was thinking about yesterday was testing the logic of a dream character. I was imagining, what if I ask "What is 1+1+apple?" See what they say.

(Another note to keep in mind. I find it hard to remember every little word and paraphrase a lot of it, but if it is in quotes it is probably word for word because I wrote it down right away. Even now I need my dream journal to know for sure because I start to forget the details of a dream very quickly, and I like to be as honest with the dream as much as possible).

It started with me wanting to meet 'the awareness of the dream'. (Something I have been trying lately). I met someone about my age and he seemed to be of Indian descent. I was in a grassy field and there were many other dream characters all over the place. I asked him if he knew it was a dream and he said, yes. I asked if anyone else knows it is a dream. He said, they all know. I didn't believe him and thought they were all just those mindless, empty shell type DCs. So I waved my arm and willed them all to fly off in the sky essentially killing them in the dream. They didn't care though and I heard some even say, "Weeeee!" as they flew up and came back down again. For some reason I became argumentative and got in his face like a bully and started poking him in the chest and asked, "Do you feel pain?" (EDIT: There are parts of the dream I don't remember in the beginning, but there must have been more to it to provoke me like that and argue with him about whether he is truly real or not, but anyway...) He got angry back and said, "What do you want? Logic like 1+1=2?" I was shocked that he even knew about that because I never told anybody and it was only a passing idea I had yesterday. But then I thought, wait a minute, we must share the same mind right? So I tried to think the word, 'apple' in my mind to see if he would say it. He didn't.

The mood changed and we were no longer in conflict. I forget a lot of what he said, but two things I remember. He said, "Astral Travel is for psychics." (And he implied that psychics are a strange breed anyway and I should feel no need to be one). He then said something about the importance of Bearka Vibrations. I asked him how to spell it so I know that's the exact word. He said in all honesty it will take me about twenty years. (He didn't say for what, but I assume he meant to be as proficient and expert as he is and some others in that field). He said, first you have to construct your own astral body. (Whatever that means).

He pointed someone out to me and it was one of the DCs in the field and he was a novice and it was their first lucid dream ever. They happened to be a very violent person too and he attacked me with a knife. I cast him aside and set him on fire. As he lay there burning he said to himself, "Best day ever...." I turned my attention elsewhere and assume that guy woke up.

I started to wonder about this expert lucid dream character and wanted to ask, are you an astral traveller? But he kept talking, changing the subject and wouldn't answer. He said, isn't it a shame about the Boston Derby? Those poor girls. Their killer will never be found. (I felt like he was having a premonition.) I said, well the killer's morals will find him. Then I thought, what if the killer has no morals? I got the impression that what he was trying to say was that in this realm nobody gets away with anything, and it's a shame that in waking life we have to go through with hardships like that.

It really makes me think about shared dreaming and astral planes. Or is my subconscious merely trying to tell me there is a higher level of lucid dreaming I have yet to master? Or is it just a strange dream and I happened to be mulling about such things, and it has no meaning at all unless I give it meaning?

It certainly FELT very powerful!

That was a good one and even if it was generated totally by you it still starts to explore a deeper level of you mind.

I agree. I don't care where they come from really, but in the past whenever I met a DC that felt like a 'superior lucid dreamer' I was always in aw of them. I'm starting to argue with them now and one day, after I meet them again and again, it will feel like we are on equal footing. If it is my subconscious dream awareness incarnate than it's a good battle. I will finally be in touch with my "awareness behind the dream" and I can simply say, "Hi, we have nothing more to discuss. What's in store for tonight and take me for a ride!"

That's what I am starting to think. It is some sort of inner struggle with my own dreams.

I could be wrong, but the balls in their court to prove that and next time we meet I will argue again! (They respect argument anyway, and it's more of a brotherly spat really). This sounds nuts like I am schizo or with multiple personality disorder, but I am just a lucid dreamer! :lol: 8-)

(On the contrary I actually wake up feeling very calm and relaxed after an insane dream like that. Go figure!)

This sounds nuts like I am schizo or with multiple personality disorder, but I am just a lucid dreamer!

Nuts is good... I think we are multiples and what we call ourselves in daily life is a very weak shell surrounding something much better. I am looking forward to the dream in which you feel in control and start to debate or ignore the DC's and they firmly put you in your place. I hope you get one of these as they are startling and leave you bewildered as to what you thought you knew. The problem I feel is that after each experience we return to a human view and put everything through what we know or believe and seek to understand and I think that is wrong but still have no better option at this stage.

Have not forgotten that we will talk again and looking forward to it

Peter wrote: The problem I feel is that after each experience we return to a human view and put everything through what we know or believe and seek to understand

I disagreed with the astral-plane-psychic-shared-dreamers before the dream,... then it carried into the dream... and I disagreed with it again with some DC I only just met, but then I came to believe him (the dream was longer and I had my reasons why....), then I woke up and over time I disagree again! (With waking logic). The cycle continues and nothing was gained. (it's mental confusion personified in a dream)

And I hate to get duped by false prophets.

Well, we all learn something and I won't have the SAME argument but CHANGE IT until those damn lucid DC's agree! I'm not giving up! It's one of those tests just like sleep paralysis and I don't go down without a fight. (or a spat really because I am not physically hurting them, just difference of opinion.) I want them to understand that we share the same mind and that we are one in the same, but they just don't agree!

Or if they are real... prove it already! But they can't can they? This saga will continue........

(But they do seem to win and put you in your place don't they? And you just shut up and listen and they are very wise. I just want to know where they come from and if they are from my own mind, or some sort of 'astral traveler', but they won't tell me nothing about their origins! But they seem to like my tenacity nonetheless....)

AND yea we will talk again, no rush.

It the curve ball they throw that gets me, I had one dream where I was fully lucid and all going well and a DC froze the dream, it just stopped and he appeared in front of me and told me off for a task I was doing. I was helping some other DC's build a stone wall by moving rocks with thought and he said it was not my job so stopped everything and told me off. I had a good conversation with him but the point is his actions and totally independent of me.

It an interesting concept to think that they are more you than you are, what you feel is you might just be an interface for their entertainment in physical life and they keep programming us as the game changes or they want differing experiences.

I don't know their origins, but they certainly seem to have a lot more 'lucid powers' and control over the dream then we ever thought we had and it is humbling.

yes they do and if we create the dream then by default they have that control over us, the dream is just one place that we are aware of this control. I also wonder if the entire dreamspace and all the DC's are just a visual language and our dream bodies are our way of communicating in this realm until we get a little more advanced

Ive wondered the same thing in my dreaming if they are real or just my mind making them up. so I've thought about testing it this way not sure if it would work but having a dream scape picked out and sharing it with a friend (someone who is a well lucid dreamer) and asking them to meet me there when we dream that night and see if they remember it the next day i think it might take a couple nights to get this to work if its even possible.

I found your LD fascinating in a couple of parts, thanks for sharing it.

I won't have the SAME argument but CHANGE IT until those damn lucid DC's agree!

If you cant get them to agree, it could mean that you deep down have doubts on what you are trying to get them to agree with, them not agreeing may well be those doubts manifesting. eg your subconsciousness not being in alignment with your waking ideas of things?

He said in all honesty it will take me about twenty years. (He didn't say for what, but I assume he meant to be as proficient and expert as he is and some others in that field). He said, first you have to construct your own astral body. (Whatever that means).

This could of been prophetic, what he said can make complete sense.

Are you aware at all the occultic method of AP (usually kept secret by occultics), that one condenses and forms the body they are going to AP in, before moving their waking consciousness over to the astral form of themselves that they have formed? So hence "constructing your own astral body". Your guide's? (be that guide yourself or another in your dream) words could of been refering to this process of using your own astral energy to form what can be called a "simulacrum" (one can choose whatever form one wishes to use, its a construct) to then move your waking consciousness to, to AP in.

If you can find online (I know this book is online to be able to be read somewhere as I've refered someone to it before) a book called "Astral Projection" The out of Body Experience by Denning and Phillips (its a Llewellyn Pratical Guide) and read page 138 where it starts talking about forming a simulacrum for AP. (this book is a whole AP program and a quite powerful one at that). Anyway, this could be what the one in your dream was refering to when he spoke of constructing your astral body. (hence it would be very interesting if he said that to you, if you didnt know anything about this kind of constructing an astral body thing!! That thou still wouldnt "prove" if he's real or not, many of us believe that universal knowledge can be picked up from the subconsciousnessness too and maybe you just tapped into some of that knowledge). ...........

Bearka Vibrations

Are you sure the word was Bearka? I dont know why but bearka makes me think of the word Merkaba (Mer--KAR-BAH). Vibrations being put out by a Merkaba?? One can form a merkaba to raise vibrations.

He said, isn't it a shame about the Boston Derby? Those poor girls. Their killer will never be found. (I felt like he was having a premonition.) I said, well the killer's morals will find him

Maybe it is a premonition??? Ive had premonitions in my dreams before which ended up being true. I know you ended up working out a possibly meaning of why he said that but at times Ive found that dream things can carry one then one meaning at a time for them being said.

Anyway.. what an interesting dream. This one may of been a quite special one. Anyway, I do suggest to check out that occultic astral projection book as you then will be able to clearly understand his comment.

Thanks for sharing that information about a 'simulacrum'. I never heard that word before. However I often use the word 'dream-body' sometimes. Sometimes I have one, sometimes I don't. In this dream I didn't have one. But I also got the impression that my constructed 'body' doesn't have to take a human form either and I can shed this mortal coil and become something else when I am 'there'.

taniaaust1 wrote: Are you sure the word was Bearka? I dont know why but bearka makes me think of the word Merkaba (Mer--KAR-BAH). Vibrations being put out by a Merkaba?? One can form a merkaba to raise vibrations.

I did ask how to spell it. I'll go into more detail of exactly how it happened. The word sounds like Berka. So I asked how it is spelled. (I do this sometimes in dreams just to make sure). I said, "So it's, B-E-R, and he stopped me and said, "No! It's B-E-A-R." And that was all. It could been Bearcca for I know, I got sidetracked. And it did remind me of Merkaba, something I am not familiar with, but it's in my subconscious somewhere and is fair game to appear in a dream. And actually my dog is named, Baron, and I call him BEAR. When I went to sleep at night he was laying beside my bed and it was comforting and I joked to myself that he would be my 'dream-catcher' and chase the bad dreams away. Just a passing thought that may have come back in the dream.

Others in the dream were trying to explain the importance of vibrations to me too. And once had an experience over a year ago, where I had a sort of sleep paralysis and then floated around my room. The whole time, I heard voices telling me about vibrations. Then they even started to argue with themselves and one said no, it's about the waves and let the waves carry you. No! Become vibrations! (stuff like that). I think that time, I had never read anything about it. But you never know. It could be one little thing I heard about 10 years ago and just comes back.

But I do think there is an element of truth to that. You know the expression, "I feel a good vibe." It's a way to describe how our feelings are a vibration and you can sense it. Music has good/bad vibes and make us feel certain ways. It's actually so simple and EVERYBODY knows it. It's not so mystical after all....

And oh yea, I looked up Boston Derby on the internet the next day, and there is a female roller derby association. (Of course you could look up ANYTHING on google and something would come up). I wish them well, but if there is a murder in the future, you heard it hear first. It involves a boat, water, and a Dorito Chip! I'm not making that up, that is what I saw on a small screen that the guy showed me in the dream. Further proof that it may just be a wonky dream after all.

Or maybe it was wonky because it was unstable and I didn't master my own vibrations.......

vadajai wrote: Ive wondered the same thing in my dreaming if they are real or just my mind making them up. so I've thought about testing it this way not sure if it would work but having a dream scape picked out and sharing it with a friend (someone who is a well lucid dreamer) and asking them to meet me there when we dream that night and see if they remember it the next day i think it might take a couple nights to get this to work if its even possible.

I thought of that too, and had no success. Maybe in twenty years......

HAGART wrote: Or maybe it was wonky because it was unstable and I didn't master my own vibrations.......

It's cause you are too distracted by the fish :lol:

Touché!

HAGART wrote: It really makes me think about shared dreaming and astral planes. Or is my subconscious merely trying to tell me there is a higher level of lucid dreaming I have yet to master? Or is it just a strange dream and I happened to be mulling about such things, and it has no meaning at all unless I give it meaning? It certainly FELT very powerful!

I am really interested in these lucid dreaming DCs ever since I accidentally discovered (twice) where they meet up. Please update me if you have more encounters with them or go to one of their parties (and they do have THE BEST parties) :) Thanks.

Wow, it's great to see some really knowledgeable lucid dreamers. I must say I am very excited/intrigued by what you guys have been talking about here. (especially the post in the OP) I recall one time meeting a DC that was an old lady looking down on the sands of my beach near my home. As I walked by her I felt compelled to ask her what she stood for (one of the first times i've asked this question) and she looked up revealing this gruesome face to mutter, "prison.." Immediately afterward in the dream I ran away from her and tripped into the sand. I have yet to understand why I was so immediately frightened... so my question to you guys is, how does one accept their dreams for what they are and not fall prey to being frightened by such things? I feel like that could have been an awesome opportunity for an insightful discussion but instead I just got so scared for no damn reason.

The Beach Boy wrote: instead I just got so scared for no damn reason.

You did have a reason. A good reason. I was creeped out a little just by reading it! :lol:

I tend to feel a heightened level of emotions in lucid dreams. If I feel good, I FEEL GREAT. If I feel scared, I AM TERRIFIED. Other times I am more neutral. I actually never really thought about it, but the more neutral feeling ones are more controllable.

It's not uncommon to be spooked by something in a lucid dream. The big misconception is that it's all fun and games and we can do anything, but sometimes they can get a little creepy and even terrifying. Things can catch us off guard. So it helps to control your emotions and be nonchalant.

:?: One last thing: I never heard 'OP' before and don't know what it stands for. :?:

Thanks for the genuine reply :). OP just means "original post" and refers to just that. And yeah I suppose I did have a reason to be scared but man I really wish I didn't have that fear. Often times I get a little apprehensive about being so willing to venture into the depths of my mind because I do have a fear of monsters and scary movie villains and such hahah. I sincerely want to be free of that fear though, my ultimate goal with this is to master lucid dreaming and be come completely in touch with my inner subconscious self. It's great to talk to people I can say this to and they don't say, "May the lord be with you dear son..."

The Beach Boy wrote: I have yet to understand why I was so immediately frightened... so my question to you guys is, how does one accept their dreams for what they are and not fall prey to being frightened by such things? I feel like that could have been an awesome opportunity for an insightful discussion but instead I just got so scared for no damn reason.

It's hard to not run away from frightening things in dreams, but as they say "we can run, but we can't hide" and sooner or later whatever you run from will come back again until you deal with it. That's where lucid dreams can help you by allowing you to at least know that you can't be hurt by anything in a dream. Also trying to understand what the things you are running away from in a dream actually represent in your waking life. To do that though, you need to look at symbolic meaning of things in a dream not their face value.

Good luck and glad you are enjoying the forum.

Thank you for the great response! And yes, I do enjoy the forum very much. This is the only place I am able to talk about my experiences with lucid dreams because there is literally no one in my town who does it that I know. I indeed should learn to face these things that scare me, but damn! In that particular dream, the second that woman looked at me I think I might instantly have lost my lucidity because I just lost all sense of control and sped the hell out.

I have the same problem at times, especially after having quite a few lucid dreams. Things are much more real in dreams and more intense. They change so fast sometimes, it's almost impossible not to be shocked into waking up. Dreams can also be very disorienting when they are very real, like a trip and it's hard to hold on for the ride. But some mental preparation and conditioning can help somewhat.

That's the goal, I am learning to face my fears and stop worrying about scary things like that. Often times I get scared of things that I recall from horror movies coming to mess with me and I just start to think now, "How irrational is that?", "Can't it at least be a real threat?" Nowadays, I am trying to remove all fears from my head so I can face anything in my dreams at an intelligent level.

Sounds intense. I don't discount out of hand the possibility of shared dreams and such. It seems unlikely since there's basically no evidence. But thinking about it, so much of reality is about expectations. Maybe you can only share a dream with someone if everyone you will speak to about it in the future expects that dream sharing is possible. Perhaps if one person expects it to be impossible, then the future possibility of your violating that expectation by talking to them about it makes it impossible for you in the present. Does that make sense? Maybe you can do anything as long as no one's expectations are too solidly in the way...

Mist wrote: Sounds intense. I don't discount out of hand the possibility of shared dreams and such. It seems unlikely since there's basically no evidence. But thinking about it, so much of reality is about expectations. Maybe you can only share a dream with someone if everyone you will speak to about it in the future expects that dream sharing is possible. Perhaps if one person expects it to be impossible, then the future possibility of your violating that expectation by talking to them about it makes it impossible for you in the present. Does that make sense? Maybe you can do anything as long as no one's expectations are too solidly in the way...

Mist wrote: Sounds intense. I don't discount out of hand the possibility of shared dreams and such. It seems unlikely since there's basically no evidence. But thinking about it, so much of reality is about expectations. Maybe you can only share a dream with someone if everyone you will speak to about it in the future expects that dream sharing is possible. Perhaps if one person expects it to be impossible, then the future possibility of your violating that expectation by talking to them about it makes it impossible for you in the present. Does that make sense? Maybe you can do anything as long as no one's expectations are too solidly in the way...

That makes perfect sense, and I agree. I believe shared dreaming is possible as well, not a doubt in my mind. I even believe I've managed to do it, but I have no proof of course.

That's the problem when it comes to these things, there is no proof. No evidence, and because of this we can't understand it from a left brained perspective.

But from a right brained perspective, it's pretty simple! I am finding more and more that our society as a whole needs to make a shift from the logical left brain to the intuitive right brain, maybe then we can finally understand these things, and in turn, then discover the left brained facts and evidence as well!

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Dream sharing is easy to prove if the other remembers the same dream too. (well at least to them both of those who are involved.. unless one had thought to try to prove it to others too and writing them down first before comparing).

The other doesnt have to at all believe in this for it to be able to occur, all that's important is both remember the dream.

The Beach Boy wrote: Thank you for the great response! And yes, I do enjoy the forum very much. This is the only place I am able to talk about my experiences with lucid dreams because there is literally no one in my town who does it that I know. I indeed should learn to face these things that scare me, but damn! In that particular dream, the second that woman looked at me I think I might instantly have lost my lucidity because I just lost all sense of control and sped the hell out.

I think not reacting in a LD in fear comes with practice. I just try to ignore things like that and purposely force myself to face them (its not easy but I can usually do it). If I back off in fear instinct in a LD, once I have a grip of myself again I'll always go right back and try to face what scared me. Last couple of things I reacted instinctually too in a LD was a huge lion (haha I wanted to run, I did go back but he'd left) and also a LD in which I was on a slippery shit covered steep slope with a long drop if I went down. I have a fear of falling so I tried hard to ignore it but it was hard.

1. So, this guy is Indian, do you like Indian food?

2. Bearka vibrations - Just a thought, if your dog is named Bear this could be a reference to the positive energy the dog provides you, even when you're dreaming.

unreadsign wrote:

1. So, this guy is Indian, do you like Indian food?

I've met many other Indian dream characters too. I haven't had too many close friends in life, but two of them were Indian and were very open minded people that I felt comfortable around and was able to be my true self with. I could get deep and talk about philosophical things with them. I think that's why I keep meeting Indian dream characters and some of them look exactly like the ones I know in real life, but this one was a stranger.

I wanted to see so bad what Tokyo said about being an astral traveler! Have you ever tried to travel to Tokyo in your lucid dreams after this dream? Maybe you could find him and ask him??

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Like I said, his name was To-ki-o (phonetically), but didn't feel it had anything to do with the city.

But I did try to meet that dream character again. He was not the same and he didn't talk much. But thanks for bringing it up because I have yet to peruse my dream journal for the past few years and drudging up these old dreams are fun. Here's how it went:

Wednesday, November 6, 2013 (This excerpt starts after I was already lucid, it ended, had a few false awakenings, and continued lucid dreaming....)

Just when it was getting good! ;) I could have left that last part out, but I like to share the whole dream right to the end. I have profound lucid dream goals and some deep thoughts, but a lot of my lucid dreams end with a little fun. Nothing wrong with that! 8-)

You would love the LaBerge incubators we have in the future, Hagart. I wonder what your lucid dreams would look like on screen. :)